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Offline Cobra951

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The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« on: Tuesday, December 12, 2006, 01:40:27 PM »
I just got back from consulting a bankruptcy attorney.  I was going to write this in notepad while it's fresh in my mind, then I thought some of you might find it useful.

(1) Chapter 7 - complete bankruptcy.  Debt goes away for good; clean slate.  Requirements: less than $57,600 income for a family of 3, credit counseling (which is a joke--he told me we'd do that on the internet together if I decide to file), surrender assets.  I think you can keep an old car and all your personal effects (like clothing), but I'm not totally clear on this.  You can only do this once every 7 years and 11 months.  Complete cost, including court and filing: $1850.

(2) Chapter 13 - Debt reorganization.  Interest payment stops completely, and you make the monthly payments to the court.  I'd need about $1400 a month for this--not an option, since I have zero income.

(3) Don't do anything.  Stop paying the creditors altogether.  Live off of remaining cash in the bank.  This was by far the most surprising.  Since my debt is strictly credit cards, it is unsecured.  As long as I don't have wages to garnishee, there is absolutely nothing the creditors can do.  I'm sure they'd whine bitch and moan through their collection agencies, but legally, they have no recourse.  I'm surprised that they can't freeze my savings account.  I'm going to have to make sure about this.  Maybe he was assuming I'd withdraw all money from the bank first.  (Glad I'm writing this; lets me organize my thoughts.)

(4) Use the threat of bankruptcy to secure settlements from creditors.  The lawyer would offer 25 cents on the dollar.  The way it's presented is by drafting actual Chapter-7 bankruptcy papers, showing them to the creditors (who would then see that I would most likely prevail in court, given the facts of my case) and telling them that they'll get either 25% or zero, their choice.

He recommends I take option 3 for now, get a good job, then file (option 1) within 2 months of securing the job & health insurance.  (Income is a 2-year average, which means even if I get a great-paying job, my income would be below the threshhold of the new law.)  His reasoning is that if I trip and fall the day after filing, without health insurance, I could rack up a huge hospital bill, which I could not eliminate in this fashion through bankruptcy.  (I.e., he wants me to save this, the best card to play, for a better occasion.)  He said option 4 is a crapshoot, and can be spoiled if any one of the creditors decides to play hardball.  And in any case, it tends to take a long time.  At first, I thought it would be the best way to go, since it avoids bankruptcy and collectors, but apparently not.

This is not some fly-by-night.  The firm comes recommended by my mother's attorney, whom she's had for many years.  For what it's worth.  Hope no one here ever has to go through this kind of shit.

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Re: The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday, December 12, 2006, 01:50:51 PM »
Good luck to you, man. Hope it works out for you.
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Re: The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday, December 12, 2006, 02:01:52 PM »
That's really rough, my friend.  I'm sorry.  Good luck, I hope you can manage to sort it all out and that this guy knows his stuff.  I'm sure you'll get through it; just keep your chin up and carry on.  We're all here for you.

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Re: The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday, December 12, 2006, 07:28:58 PM »
Oh, hell.  I wasn't looking for sympathy in this thread (though I do appreciate the good sentiments).  It may seem funny, but I feel better about this now than I have for a long time.  I found out what my options are, and they should be enough to fix the financial picture for me, eventually.  I can envision a time when I'm free again.

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Re: The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday, December 12, 2006, 07:35:37 PM »
Good luck with it all man. Financial traps can be very stressful.

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Re: The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday, December 12, 2006, 08:39:58 PM »
Good luck.  Bankruptcy surprisingly doesn't ruin you as badly as you'd think.  My dad has had to file once that I'm aware of.  I was unfortunately fucked out of $3500 that should have been mine, but it didn't seem to affect his financial situation much.

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Re: The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 12:02:28 AM »
Oh, hell.  I wasn't looking for sympathy in this thread (though I do appreciate the good sentiments).  It may seem funny, but I feel better about this now than I have for a long time.  I found out what my options are, and they should be enough to fix the financial picture for me, eventually.  I can envision a time when I'm free again.

Glad to hear that.  That's exactly the way you *should* be approaching it, I'd imagine.  I know people who have filed and managed to use it as a clean start and get back on their feet, but there are a lot of people who approach the whole thing with dread.  Glad you aren't one of them, because from what I've gathered, there's not much reason to be.

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Re: The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 02:56:02 PM »
No, dread is the right word.  It's what I've felt for about a year.  Consulting the lawyer removed much of that, although I'm still getting carried along by the momentum of experiencing these negative feelings for so long.  (Make sense?)  I still fear losing things which to me are personal, but which may be considered assets to liquidate during a bankruptcy.  For example, my PC stuff.  I'd probably be able to replace the hardware soon after bankruptcy, but all the effort, all the things I have stored there, all the time to get everything the way I want it, that is not so easily replaced.  I need to get more details on what "surrendering assets" means.  That sounds so scary in its short form.   :-[

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Re: The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 03:05:33 PM »
Good luck and hope you get some deserved peace of mind Cobra.

I had a question. Couldn't you pass some of your assets like a car to one of your family members before you declare?

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Re: The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 03:06:20 PM »
Dig hole, bury what you want to keep, tell repo men that you never owned a PC.

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Re: The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 07:24:55 PM »
I think passing things to family members would be frowned on.  Now, digging a hole . . .

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Re: The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 07:45:27 PM »
Good luck, man. If you need help digging the hole, I'm an excellent hole digger. I've dug many holes to hide all of the bodies tha--- I mean, uh, all of the fun things I collect. Yes.

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Re: The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 09:12:08 PM »
If you need a place to just stash some crap, I'm sure there would be plenty of options, and I can't see them caring much about some old PC stuff.  I mean, really, how much could any of that be worth?  Even as a last ditch effort you could probably just give it to a friend to store for you or ship it somewhere temporarily. 

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Re: The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 09:46:25 PM »
Trust me, I'm going to find out exactly what it is I can get away with.  I already know I can't go to Vegas and gamble away 10-20 grand, hoping to get lucky.  Lawyer shook his head most emphatically.

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Re: The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« Reply #14 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 10:07:12 PM »
lol.  That would be one hell of a weekend though.

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Re: The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« Reply #15 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 11:46:17 PM »
Trust me, I'm going to find out exactly what it is I can get away with.  I already know I can't go to Vegas and gamble away 10-20 grand, hoping to get lucky.  Lawyer shook his head most emphatically.


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Cobra: So ummm...could I go to Vegas and bet away 20 grand?

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Cobra: HISSSSSSSSSSSSS!

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Re: The 4 ways to eliminate heavy debt
« Reply #16 on: Friday, December 15, 2006, 08:23:45 AM »
 ;D

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