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Offline PyroMenace

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So I bought my 360...
« on: Tuesday, April 24, 2007, 09:30:07 PM »
...and its been an utter nightmare ever since I hooked it up.

Seriously I just can't describe the amount of frustration I'm feeling right now. So I bring it to my room open it up unpack everything and start plugging it in and I run into my first problem. It doesnt have a VGA cord to plug into my HD monitor, that was an extra 40$. But that wasn't going to stop me. I make the trip come back hook it all up and boot it. Yay it comes on! Sadly this will be the only gratifying experience out of all it. I missed something that I should have thought about but I was too excited and overlooked it. I can hook it up to my monitor but I don't have any audio, obviously the speakers are hooked to the PC. So make yet another trip out to Wal Mart and buy an RCA adapter to hook to my speakers, I got some help from K-Man but neither of us were 100% sure the audio would work. Anyway, I get back and hook her up and finally hit the power button and... red flashing lights! oh and a bonus! an error screen! It reads contact xbox support yadda yadda, then at the at the bottom it reads error E74. Ive tried reconnecting everything, unplugging and booting, taking the hard drive off and I still get that fucking red light. Im so pissed right now Im halfway contemplating on taking it back and never buying one again, but that'll be too rash, I'll just end up replacing it tomorrow.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday, April 24, 2007, 09:32:04 PM »
Holy cow.  That totally sucks, dude.  But yeah, just get it replaced and try again.  You're bound to have better luck.

You know what you need instead?  Some Diablo II.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday, April 24, 2007, 09:54:48 PM »
Getting my 360 Elite on Sunday.... oh yeah
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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday, April 24, 2007, 09:55:42 PM »
He's on his way over.  We're going to see what we can do here. 

I hate this for him.  He's been through hell with that thing today.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday, April 24, 2007, 10:24:01 PM »
Yeah the 360 is kind of a piece of junk.  My brother has the 3 red lights as well, but he dropped something on his.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 12:00:57 AM »
Yea the 360 is pretty notorious for a hardware failure.  My first 360 had a hardware failure as well.  I don't remember if it was the E74 error or not, but I just took it back to the store and got a new one since the Xbox Support wanted to exchange the HDD for me, but I didn't want to wait.

Anyway, best of luck man.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 12:02:12 AM »
Makes me nervous, I'll tell you that.  Mine has been perfectly fine thus far, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 01:18:38 AM »
So yea, we checked out it and its officially defective and that pretty much robbed my day off.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 01:29:06 AM »
Get yo fat ass back here

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 02:48:53 AM »
Makes me nervous, I'll tell you that.  Mine has been perfectly fine thus far, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Q speaks for me too.  ???

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 03:03:00 AM »
Man I really really feel bad for you. I know how bad that feels, buying something expensive and watching it die before it lived. Also I've had similar frustration at the lack of cables.

You know what? You'd think the problem would have ended after the earlier iterations.

I wouldn't wish this upon anyone.... even Keebler. Well maybe not Keebler.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 05:19:29 AM »
I'm not trying to insult you.... really I'm not.  But why would you think the Xbox 360 came with a VGA cable?

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 08:12:53 AM »
I guess it is easy to forget in the excitement. :P

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 09:25:43 AM »
I'm not trying to insult you.... really I'm not.  But why would you think the Xbox 360 came with a VGA cable?

He thought his monitor had component inputs.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 11:45:30 AM »
There are multiple nightmares.  The only inexcusable one is that the 360 is built in a formfactor too small to dissipate efficiently all the heat it produces, compounded by soldering instead of socketing the CPU.  If heat builds up too quickly, it will soften the solder, and you'll get hardware errors.  I've seen a video of someone fixing their 360 by basically reconditioning the solder with nothing more than hot air.  Give the thing plenty of room to breathe, and if you want to be anal, never power it off in the middle of a demanding 3D game.  Use the big controller button to go back to the dashboard, and let it sit there for a while.

Another nightmare is the transition in display standards.  Not only are cables an issue, but so are resolutions.  Even after you get everything hooked up right, you need to tell the 360 to use an appropriate res.  For VGA, chances are nothing will match the native res of your monitor.  (I'm assuming widescreen LCD here.)  I find that 1280x768 works as well as anything non-native can be expected.  Then, unless your monitor is fancy enough to allow a fixed 16:9 aspect ratio with mild letterboxing, you'll come to realize that everything is slightly stretched vertically.  Widescreen VGA monitors are 16:10.  You'd think that's close enough (I did).  But it's not.  It's a very noticeable stretch, and if you're as picky as I am about correct aspect, you'll come to hate it.  I eventually gave up on the monitor, and got a 23" 16:9 LCD TV for it.  Component inputs.

Third nightmare:  The 360 outputs DTV colorspace, regardless of connection method.  VGA color space is wider.  The result is washed out colors over VGA, unless your display device specifically compensates for the difference.  Colors over component inputs are typical much richer, saturated.

Fourth nightmare: audio.  If you use a PC monitor, then of course your audio consists of PC speakers.  These have a male stereo miniplug.  The console's audio comes out via twin male RCA plugs.  No mating possible here.  My logitechs came with the right adapter, but that's unusual, and I didn't know it at the time.  I spent a good deal of time rummaging through the Microcenter bins, and finally found a combination of 2 adapters that would work.

On top of this, your PC monitor and speakers likely need to work with your PC as well.  So now you need an efficient method of switching back and forth.  What I did initially is get a simple mechanical VGA switchbox, and a stereo miniplug extension.  To go from one source to another, I'd flip the VGA switch and manually pull one plug out of the extension and insert the other.  Now I let the TV do all the switching.  The PC speakers are hooked up to the TV audio out.  And the TV takes VGA as well as component, so it's also my 1360x768 PC monitor.  It all works quite well, even if the res isn't as high as I'd like for this much screen area.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 01:40:53 PM »
And yet I've never had any issues setting mine up ever... lucky me.  ;D

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 01:56:01 PM »
Yours will explode tonight and kill your loved ones.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 02:10:47 PM »
He doesn't have any loved ones...

Wait we aren't talking about Keebler?

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 02:36:56 PM »
Yours will explode tonight and kill your loved ones.

*cries* But what will I do on the weekend without my 360 :(

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 02:49:06 PM »
All the people crying on the 360 forums about red lights do instill some fear, but I think the probability of failure is low, even lower if you have some common sense about handling equipment which pumps out hot air.  Still, my heart skips a beat every time I hit the power switch and watch the green light go round and round.  It's like a roulette wheel.  "No more bets . . . E74 red."  Waaaahhh!!

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 09:14:23 PM »
Huh, I haven't even worried about mine.  It's got enough room to breathe (uh, I think), and I've never bothered to let it cool down before turning it off.  It never even occurred to me to let it blow out the remaining heat.

But yeah, the resolution stuff is such a pain in the ass.  Really makes me mad that some games will go fullscreen on my non-wide LCD yet others go extreme letterbox.  So frustrating.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 10:14:53 PM »

Fourth nightmare: audio.  If you use a PC monitor, then of course your audio consists of PC speakers.  These have a male stereo miniplug.  The console's audio comes out via twin male RCA plugs.  No mating possible here.  My logitechs came with the right adapter, but that's unusual, and I didn't know it at the time.  I spent a good deal of time rummaging through the Microcenter bins, and finally found a combination of 2 adapters that would work.

On top of this, your PC monitor and speakers likely need to work with your PC as well.  So now you need an efficient method of switching back and forth.  What I did initially is get a simple mechanical VGA switchbox, and a stereo miniplug extension.  To go from one source to another, I'd flip the VGA switch and manually pull one plug out of the extension and insert the other.  Now I let the TV do all the switching.  The PC speakers are hooked up to the TV audio out.  And the TV takes VGA as well as component, so it's also my 1360x768 PC monitor.  It all works quite well, even if the res isn't as high as I'd like for this much screen area.

Actually once we really looked at it, solving the audio problem was a rather simple (and easy to find) fix.  We met at Wal Mart, he bought 2 RCA couplers and a stereo plug to 2 male RCA cable.  Hooked the audio RCA's from the 360 to the couplers, then hooked the male RCA jacks into the other end of the couples.  Plugged the stereo jack in, and yay sound.

And most good PC monitors come with more than one input nowadays.  The audio issue is solved simply by either plugging into an auxillary or mic port on the soundcard.  And hell, if you've got a good enough speaker set, you can just do optical out.

These issues aren't solely 360.  You'd run into the exact same stuff hooking up any other console.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #22 on: Thursday, April 26, 2007, 11:47:28 AM »
Sure, if you're prepared for it.  The thing is that most people don't think of all the details up front.  I thought of hooking up audio through the sound card, but I prefer as straight a connection as possible.  Now it doesn't matter.  My TV switches both video and audio.  The 360 is Component 1 and the PC is, well, PC.

I eventually set my better PC's video card to use the DVI input of the monitor.  So yeah, I understand about multiple inputs.  This one has one VGA and one DVI.  But the other PC has integrated video, and only does VGA.  I had to switch that with the switchbox regardless.  I guess I'm giving away that the picture here is more complicated than I indicated before.  2 PCs, plus the 360, and now the Gamecube too.  I still use the switchbox to get the gaming PC's video on the TV through VGA.  The DVI is connected to the monitor, so I can be on the 360 and get a PC display at the same time.  The video card is set up for dual screen, clone mode.  I still switch the audio manually when I want the game PC's audio instead of this one's.

So, is everything working OK now?  Did he get a good unit right away?

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #23 on: Thursday, April 26, 2007, 11:57:03 AM »
Yea, I got it replaced the next day and so far its working great. Though I've already hit another snag. I bought 3 games with it, with the deal Gamecrazy had, you can buy 2 used games and get a 3rd free after a console purchase. So I picked up Lost Planet, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, and Gears of War. Well I've been playing Lost Planet and I get a disc read error around the same area, after checking the back of the disc I noticed a bunch of scratches. Argh, I'll have to exchange it for another one, they had multiple copies so hopefully I can find a cleaner one.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #24 on: Thursday, April 26, 2007, 12:00:51 PM »
Used game discs, ugh!  The few times I've bought them, I've insisted on looking at them carefully.  It's been a long time since.  Good luck with that.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #25 on: Thursday, April 26, 2007, 02:15:33 PM »
I never buy used games.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #26 on: Thursday, April 26, 2007, 02:36:11 PM »
I'll buy used if the price is right and the disc is fairly scratch free. I wont buy used without being able to inspect the disc.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #27 on: Thursday, April 26, 2007, 02:38:03 PM »
i hate buying used games. i will only buy them if the game is rare and the disc is scratch free. Other than that, no way.
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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #28 on: Thursday, April 26, 2007, 06:36:38 PM »
The problem with used games is that they're almost always $5 cheaper than a new game.  That marginal price difference is not enough for me to purchase an old game.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #29 on: Thursday, April 26, 2007, 08:15:52 PM »
I have zero issues purchasing a used game that's in good shape.  Just always ask to see the disk first and you'll be fine.  Never take one sight unseen.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #30 on: Thursday, April 26, 2007, 08:43:14 PM »
The problem with used games is that they're almost always $5 cheaper than a new game.  That marginal price difference is not enough for me to purchase an old game.

Right, never.  Last time I bought a used disc, they were still half the new price or less.  Like I said, it's been a long time.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #31 on: Thursday, April 26, 2007, 08:46:08 PM »
I dont buy those expensive used games that are only $5 cheaper. Screw that, I'd rather spend the $5 and get the wrapped box. I mean like $3 PSX games and stuff like that.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #32 on: Thursday, April 26, 2007, 09:15:58 PM »
Yeah, I'll never buy a used game with no box or instructions.  Well, not anymore.  There was a time in my life when I thought it would be okay for me to do, and I bought like one or two games that way... then I discovered that it made me want to kill myself.  They were really old games and super cheap, but I won't even do that shit with old games now unless there's literally no other option.

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #33 on: Thursday, April 26, 2007, 09:54:05 PM »
When I worked at Gamestop, they pushed us to push the customer into getting the game used rather than new. They make soooo much money off those used games. The plan to get the customer was to tell them that you could return used games and exchange them for some other game if you were unhappy. If you bought a new game and you hated it then you were out of luck. This strategy is pretty effective on low-income households who treat it just like a rental service.
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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #34 on: Thursday, April 26, 2007, 10:18:19 PM »
He bought them at Game Crazy though.  with the MVP discount a full priced (60 bucks) 360 game is 45.  15 off isn't too shabby.

I agree about the 5 off thing though.  I'd much rather just pay 5 more for a new copy

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Re: So I bought my 360...
« Reply #35 on: Thursday, April 26, 2007, 10:26:19 PM »
Well I normally don't buy used games either, unless its of course something hard to find. But anyway in this case it was buy 2 used games and get a 3rd free, so I bit. The cases and stuff were all in really good condition, just didn't think to check out the disc's themselves. I checked the other two games and those look good.