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What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« on: Wednesday, July 11, 2007, 09:01:14 PM »
The expansion brings a whole new depth to an already awesome game.  And it can be yours for 30 clams... or if you don't have the original, both items can be purchased together for under $50!  How can you afford not to?

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday, July 11, 2007, 09:08:55 PM »
Now what did I do with that galciv2 demo? I had just found it like a week ago...

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday, July 11, 2007, 09:22:29 PM »
i loves me some galactic civilizations
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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #3 on: Thursday, July 12, 2007, 01:36:22 PM »
Didn't we have a Galac Civ 2: DA thread already somewhere? :P

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #4 on: Thursday, July 12, 2007, 06:01:40 PM »
Shut up.

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #5 on: Thursday, July 12, 2007, 07:21:56 PM »
The expansion brings a whole new depth to an already awesome game.  And it can be yours for 30 clams... or if you don't have the original, both items can be purchased together for under $50!  How can you afford not to?

This has been a public service message.

I think Galac Civ 2: Gold is like $30-40, at most stores -- sounds like a better option than buying it directly online from them.

I do recall back when it first came out, CC was selling the GC2: Gold Edition for like $28!

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #6 on: Thursday, July 12, 2007, 08:10:29 PM »
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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #7 on: Friday, July 13, 2007, 12:56:54 AM »
So tell me, compared to Civ IV, how is GCII?

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #8 on: Friday, July 13, 2007, 01:01:36 AM »
I haven't actually given Civ IV a shot yet, so I can't say for sure, but GCII is very similar to the Civ games.  It's got some nice things that set it apart, though, with the tech tree, combat, and obviously the theme.  Also of note is that you can actually build your own ship designs and stuff.  There's a lot of different parts that can be used to achieve some pretty cool effects, so it definitely isn't a throwaway feature.  I spent a lot of time with it before and had quite a lot of fun.  The expansion offers numerous other bonuses, mostly in the form of improved play mechanics, some extra additions to the general systems, new diplomatic options, you name it.

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #9 on: Monday, July 16, 2007, 01:38:46 AM »
I just stayed up until 1:30 playing this game, and I need to be up in 4 1/2 hours.  And it was so worth it.  Seriously, people, you need to give this game a shot.

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #10 on: Friday, July 20, 2007, 07:07:01 PM »
I want to get this game now, especially after reading this. Sounds so awesome...

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #11 on: Friday, July 20, 2007, 09:04:18 PM »
That's exactly what I read to get me willing to give it a shot.

I can't find it anywhere though.

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #12 on: Friday, July 20, 2007, 09:53:49 PM »
I read part of that a while ago, but I just sat down and read the whole thing.  What a riot.  I love this damn game.

Also, GET IT FROM STARDOCK!  They have a Steam-like program called Stardock Central, and the difference between it and Steam is that it doesn't fucking suck.  It's less polished, but it's completely unintrusive, it's streamlined, and it allows you to get a hard copy of the game sent to you while you download the game itself if you just pay the shipping.  Even nicer, you can sort of pick and choose what to download first, and once the core game is down, you can start fiddling with it.  When I first bought the original game, I got the tutorial movies first because I downloaded in order, but even before the art assets were down I could go into the game and watch them.  So I did!  By the time I was done with those (and they're pretty nice), the rest of the game was ready.  Awesome.

If you don't have it, you owe it to yourself to get it.  The Gold Edition isn't too pricey, and it's worth every penny.

I should do one of those blogs.  My current game is awesome.  I'm going for an influence victory and am getting totally boned.

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #13 on: Saturday, July 21, 2007, 09:25:03 AM »
Y'know, I hope you talk about this game in an upcoming Podcast! :)

That's pretty cool that you can DL the assets -- and watch them, as you DL other assets from the game!!!

BTW, I think GameSpot's score for that game has to be one of the highest scores I've seen for an actual expansion pack from them.

BTW, the graphics in those screenies look great.

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #14 on: Saturday, July 21, 2007, 11:29:58 AM »
The expansion isn't really even an expansion.  I mean it is, as it isn't exactly like a whole different game, but it adds some new elements that drastically alter *certain elements* of the gameplay for the better.  As such, it scored even higher than the original game, and deservedly so.  It definitely ranks up there as a PC masterpiece.  I enjoyed the first GalCiv, but my love for it sort of wore off after a while.  Then with GalCiv 2, I felt the big improvements and new graphics were just awesome.  Then Dark Avatar came and is *almost* what GalCiv 3 might be.  Technically it's just GalCiv 2.5, I guess, but a lot of expansions are just more of the same and this one definitely goes the extra mile.  If the graphics were further updated and the campaign were longer (I never tend to play the campaigns much anyway), it would probably actually BE GalCiv 3.  And the graphics *are* actually improved from stock GalCiv 2, just not enough to bring it into sequel territory.  Hence it stays an expansion, but one that delivers some really cool stuff.

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #15 on: Saturday, July 21, 2007, 11:52:40 AM »
The expansion isn't really even an expansion.  I mean it is, as it isn't exactly like a whole different game, but it adds some new elements that drastically alter *certain elements* of the gameplay for the better.
That's good.
Most expansions often you more of the same, but do nothing to improve the game drastically.

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As such, it scored even higher than the original game, and deservedly so.  It definitely ranks up there as a PC masterpiece.  I enjoyed the first GalCiv, but my love for it sort of wore off after a while.  Then with GalCiv 2, I felt the big improvements and new graphics were just awesome.  Then Dark Avatar came and is *almost* what GalCiv 3 might be.  Technically it's just GalCiv 2.5, I guess, but a lot of expansions are just more of the same and this one definitely goes the extra mile.  If the graphics were further updated and the campaign were longer (I never tend to play the campaigns much anyway), it would probably actually BE GalCiv 3.
I think I'd rather have a ridiculous amount of new features, improvements and changes (for the better) in an expansion pack than a major improvement in the graphics quality. Graphics isn't everything to me; gameplay is.

Hell, some game sequels often improve the graphics, but don't really do enough in the gameplay to warrant a true-blue sequel. Again, the more of the same thing. That full-game sequel might as well have been an expansion pack to the proceeding game!

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And the graphics *are* actually improved from stock GalCiv 2, just not enough to bring it into sequel territory.  Hence it stays an expansion, but one that delivers some really cool stuff.
That's good that they updated the graphical quality a little bit w/ the expansion. Some expansions just -- well, don't do anything in that regard; they leave the graphical quality and poly-count alone. They just often add new game content for the expansion -- and not enough new game content, either...

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday, July 24, 2007, 09:48:11 PM »
So any tips on getting started. I'm going slowly but the game throws a lot at you right from the start. I've watched the tutorial videos but they don't seem to cover everything. Is there some in-game tutorial that leads you through a couple turns to actually see whats going on?

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday, July 24, 2007, 10:07:12 PM »
Just think Civ, really.  It takes a little getting used to, but keep at it and you'll figure it out.

The early turns are basically going to be a rush for planets.  You're going to be concentrating on getting some colonies out there, trying to find habitable planets.  Early going is tough because you have virtually no population to tax and do your production and research.  Once people start gettin' busy, then you'll have more to work with.  You'll start to realize you want certain technologies to help you out, you'll work at getting those, then you'll start running into other races (maybe) and finding stuff as you send scout ships and whatever around to explore.  If you do military you'll start researching weapons, if you're going for exploration you might start working on engines and life support to extend your range.  Either way, once you get that far your situation will probably dictate what you feel like doing, or maybe your chosen end goal for winning.  I tend to be more pacifistic, focusing on getting tons of culture spread and enveloping a lot of territory with my influence.

So yeah: early game, colonize.  It'll feel like an awkward balance between getting your guys out there and spread to new planets and actually keeping a population on your new planets, which will struggle in the early stages because there are so few people.

Then get the lay of the land, work on setting up some kind of general infrastructure around your territory, even if its only mental.  If you have neighbors, see what they're up to.  Start working on research in more earnest, figure out what direction you want to head in.  Look at your situation and think about what you need.

By then military will start to become relevant.  You can probably get away with all but ignoring it initially, and in GalCiv you'll find that diplomacy goes a long way.  Wars don't tend to jump you, they tend to creep up toward you.  If you've got a good diplomacy rating and have learned some diplomatic research items, you can really work a lot of stuff in your favor and stave off hostilities.  The United Planets (kind of a space UN) is cool too, allowing you to occasionally manipulate the galactic community to your advantage.

Just keep at it, you'll figure it out.  With planet enhancements, remember to read what they do.  They aren't always totally self-explanatory.  You won't need farms until your planets need to expand their population caps, for instance.  Factories give you an extra 4 (I think) resource points to work with, but they don't increase your actual production rates by default.  The marketplace things give you a 10% increase in economy.  So read the specifics, that can help.  And don't be afraid to build stuff when you need it initially and then destroy it later.  That isn't always feasible, but sometimes it can help you out.  And remember that you can buy stuff you're building to get it done faster, but not only that, you can also finance it.  Depending on your strategy, that can be useful.

EDIT - Forgot to mention... use the shipyard!  Once you get the hang of building ships, it's super handy.  You'll probably not want to wait for new ship designs to get all the component parts before you build new ships.  I mean, if you get a faster, smaller engine that none of your current designs have, you may well want to just rebuild those designs with the new engine.  It's quite easy and streamlined.  A bit annoying since "updating" a design doesn't actually let you start with that full design and then subtract/re-add (it just starts you with a bare hull, so you won't know exactly what was on that ship unless you knew already)... but it isn't rocket science, heh.  Fiddle, you'll get the hang of it.  Engines make you go faster, life support lets you go farther, sensors let you see farther, and various kinds of defense defend against various kinds of weaponry.  You'll figure it out.  Just build a lot of ships and have fun with it.  Don't be afraid to use the "obsolete" function on old designs and make newer, cooler ones, even if you only got a few new items to make a new ship with.  I tend to wait until I need a new ship for something, but then any time I do I just build a new design for it.  This isn't often military stuff for me, so I tend to build newer colony ships that go faster when I get new engines, same with constructors, and sometimes stick on extra cargo space for something or what have you.

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday, July 24, 2007, 10:26:53 PM »
Cool, thanks.

Typical me, as soon as I saw online that you can make new race portraits and logos I decided I have to make some.

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday, July 24, 2007, 10:31:01 PM »
Haha, yeah, I did one recently.  It was my wife's old cat with a paw-print insignia that actually looks awesome in the game.  Pretty funny.

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« Reply #20 on: Tuesday, July 24, 2007, 10:42:25 PM »
I'm going to do all the Tribes factions.

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« Reply #21 on: Wednesday, July 25, 2007, 09:17:01 PM »
Well, I'm slowly learning. I guess. I had like no money for the entire game. Gotta work on that. But I was pretty screwed from the start since there were no planets to colonize near me. Well, there was one or two if I researched extreme colonization...but that was a ways off. I ended up having to cross the damn galaxy and take the only two planets that werent already taken by then. I could have grabbed Mars (and in hindsight, I should have done that) but I was hoping to find better planets nearby. By the time I realized there weren't any, another civ took it. Luckily I keys a strong presence and eventually the planet was handed over to me.

So I just researched and did a bung of other crap not worth mentioning. I had no idea what I was really doing so I was trying everything. Eventually did a tech victory...hooray. It'll be more exciting once I figure shit out.

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« Reply #22 on: Wednesday, July 25, 2007, 10:19:04 PM »
The game does have a bit of a learning curve.  I didn't have a clue what I was doing the first time I played, and I don't think I even really had all that much fun.  I started to get way more into it when I screwed around with diplomatic options more and started trying to get races to either make peace or get pissed at each other... all so I could take advantage of the situation, of course.  The different races all have different personalities and tendencies, too, so that can lead to some wildly different outcomes.

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« Reply #23 on: Thursday, July 26, 2007, 06:55:48 AM »
That article was great. I love the guy's ship names.
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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #24 on: Thursday, July 26, 2007, 07:52:52 AM »
I played GalCiv2, but I couldn't get into it.  I don't think I was patient enough for the learning curve.  I guess I'll give it another shot after reading Que's posts.  I mean after all, the original Civilization had a bitch of a learning curve too and it is now one of my top 5 favorite games of all time.

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« Reply #25 on: Thursday, July 26, 2007, 07:56:46 AM »
It's definitely something you have to stick with.  I'm wondering if there are any good starter guides on the internet or something.  The fan base for the game is pretty big and pretty dedicated, so it wouldn't surprise me.  Some information slightly more rigid and informative than the tutorials might be a boon to first-time players, because as cool as the tutorial movies are, they definitely don't send you out there feeling like you really know how to manage your economy and research, keep people happy, understand population, etc.  I'll scout around some fansites or something and see if I can find anything that might be useful.

EDIT - Leave it to the devs to do our job for us!  Here's a GalCivII Beginner's Strategy Guide which explains a whole hell of a lot of stuff.  This guy's strategies may vary from what you consider naturally productive (I don't know that I'd personally use my initial funds to outright buy a lot of improvements, though maybe I should try it, eh?), but there's a lot of good info. there.  He explains a lot of the basic systems.  While you may not understand them completely without actually fiddling around with it in the game, you should get a pretty good idea of what the different features are meant to do and how they generally work.  It's not too shabby.

The second comment on the thing says that some reviewers had complained about the game having a steep learning curve for the uninitiated, so I guess they did this little guide in response to that.  Also, I think it's for stock GalCivII and not Dark Avatar, but that's okay.  The differences between the two are relatively minor, and the basics are pretty much the same.  There's just a bit more to Dark Avatar like the hostile planet colonization and stuff.

EDIT x2 - Also, read through a few comments.  Other players had some helpful things to mention (like focusing an individual planet's production by clicking on a particular output type, using the shipyard to build new ship designs, etc.).  Like I said, it's a really good community, and that's especially surprising for a game with no multiplayer.  But check the forums and stuff, people are usually super helpful.
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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #26 on: Thursday, July 26, 2007, 03:26:52 PM »
Looks like I like the larger galaxy sizes. Gives you some breathing room, more areas to explore before they are completely taken over.

ProTip: Never make your "race color" black (zomg rasis!), as that sets the color of your zoomed out ship icons, the color of the ship text (such as "Autopilot"), and the color of shipping/mining lanes. Turns out black doesnt show up so well against SPACE.

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« Reply #27 on: Thursday, July 26, 2007, 04:32:24 PM »
Heh.  That's funny.

Yeah, but I definitely like the larger galaxy sizes as well.  I almost always play huge or gigantic.

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« Reply #28 on: Thursday, July 26, 2007, 06:59:48 PM »
Also, just as an aside - "War Bastard" is a name from Spaced, the comedy that spawned Shaun Of The Dead and Hot Fuzz.

Now, back on topic - As someone who feels that I got all there was to get from MoO2 in a fairly short time, would I enjoy this game? Because I can't afford to get it if not, and I trust your opinions. It sounds awesome, but does it have enough that is different or better?
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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #29 on: Thursday, July 26, 2007, 07:34:44 PM »
Try the demo?

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« Reply #30 on: Thursday, July 26, 2007, 09:05:55 PM »
I don't know how to answer that.  I never played *that* much MoO.  And I think it depends on how many times you can replay these kinds of games.  Myself, I tend to go back to them for years.  I play for a while, then stop for a while, play a few games, stop for a while.  It's rarely the kind of thing I just sit and obsess over for weeks at a time.  That said, plenty of people *do* just love these things to death, and they play them a billion times to try out all the different possibilities.

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« Reply #31 on: Wednesday, August 29, 2007, 07:54:44 AM »
I finally got around to putting in some time into this game.  So should I bother with the original game or just play Dark Avatar?

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Re: What E3? Go support Stardock instead of waiting for games you can't have.
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday, August 29, 2007, 05:49:50 PM »
Obviously if you're into campaign stuff, play the original.  If you just want to skirmish... well, it might not be so bad to start with the original, learn the ropes, then move onto Dark Avatar from there.  They aren't super different, but there are definitely some new elements in Dark Avatar that sort of make it worth "saving" until you want to experience them.  The original game is certainly deep enough to be enjoyed on its own merits, especially if you aren't familiar with the series.

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« Reply #33 on: Friday, August 31, 2007, 05:56:34 AM »
Well I started with Dark Avatar.  I figured since it was a game in the same vein as Civilization, there isn't too much story I'd be missing out on.

I was doing quite well for myself until the Dread Lords set up shop on a planet very near Earth, and even closer to 3 of my other planets.  They have made my life miserable.

Their homeworld is awesome:  Class 42.  But there are 20,000 soldiers defending it and I can only send about 2,000 now and even with some of the planetary attack research I still get annihilated.  They also had this battleship parked next to Earth that had 144 missile power, and also 13 shield defense.  Of course, the only tech I had researched was beam weapons, which were negated by the shields. So I research missile weapons almost to the max, and missile defense to the max and make some short-range battleships to maximize armor and weapons loadout.  I build 5 ships, which all die, but I get close to defeating it.  Then it flies back to their homeworld and these two frigate things roll out, which are loaded to the gills with missile defenses.  Argh!!!

Is it possible to beat these guys or do I just have to sort of survive them?  Everyone else has made a peace treaty with them, but I can't even speak with them.