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So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« on: Thursday, March 03, 2011, 05:31:21 AM »
I've weighed out the benefits and I think I can accept being a hipster douchebag. Post your hate towards me or try to talk me out of it, but remember this, because of me some of you now own apple products.

That is all.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #1 on: Thursday, March 03, 2011, 06:07:00 AM »
I caved and ordered one.. for my mom.. Granted I only went with it because of a crazy sale, I managed to get a 32GB Wifi one for about $600. I think my mom will appreciate the haptic interface instead of a mouse. If she doesn't, well guess I have an iPad to muck about with.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #2 on: Thursday, March 03, 2011, 06:16:01 AM »
Well I hate to break this to you, that model retails for $600.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #3 on: Thursday, March 03, 2011, 06:42:12 AM »
Well I hate to break this to you, that model retails for $600.
Not here.. Here the 32GB starts around $900 in retail stores and the 16GB starts around $650.. If I order it from the States the shipping would cost me nearly an extra $200, unless I can have it sent with someone who's on the way back :P

Generally speaking anything from Apple is ridiculously expensive here. The iPhone 4 32GB is ~$1050 if I were to buy it retail. However the phone company here (the one and only) has a special offer if you go on a 1-year contract ($70/month), you get the iPhone 4 32GB for ~$230.

When the iPad first came out the 64GB with 3G was about $1500. Absolutely insane. I would rather spend that on another gaming rig!

EDIT:
I just checked with some retailers aboit the iPad 2. Apparently the iPad 2 32GB Wifi is going to be approx. $1450 USD. WTF?!

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #4 on: Thursday, March 03, 2011, 07:30:26 AM »
What's your reasoning for owning one?

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #5 on: Thursday, March 03, 2011, 07:56:20 AM »
Not here.. Here the 32GB starts around $900 in retail stores and the 16GB starts around $650.. If I order it from the States the shipping would cost me nearly an extra $200, unless I can have it sent with someone who's on the way back :P

Generally speaking anything from Apple is ridiculously expensive here. The iPhone 4 32GB is ~$1050 if I were to buy it retail. However the phone company here (the one and only) has a special offer if you go on a 1-year contract ($70/month), you get the iPhone 4 32GB for ~$230.

When the iPad first came out the 64GB with 3G was about $1500. Absolutely insane. I would rather spend that on another gaming rig!

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I just checked with some retailers aboit the iPad 2. Apparently the iPad 2 32GB Wifi is going to be approx. $1450 USD. WTF?!

Ah yea, I should have realized that. I figured as much as soon as I posted.

But I've been wanting something portable to take with me on my trips for sometime, an all in one device. I don't even touch my DS anymore nor do I even take it with me since I know I never play it. All I take now is my ipod touch and maybe a magazine. Ive looked at laptops and notebooks and came very close to getting one, but every time I hear talk about tablets and how they are becoming more and more real, I feel like its something I could choose over a laptop. I mean all I would want out of a notebook or laptop is internet browsing, movie watching, and some lite note taking. All of which are very strong on the ipad, plus portable gaming. The app store is ridiculously huge now and its becoming very hard to ignore and theres a decent amount of gaming gems on there to check out. $600 or $700 is pretty steep I know, and its small memory storage are hits against it, but the way Ive been reasoning it, I would pay about as much for a decent laptop and to be honest, I don't plan on needing that much storage for the uses I will be getting out of it. My ipod is going to have all the music and podcasts I need so I can easily load the ipad up with anything else. So yea, there it is. I'm still playing with the idea, but I think I may make the jump.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #6 on: Thursday, March 03, 2011, 08:09:26 AM »
I have nothing positive to say about the iPad, or for any tablet like it for that matter.  I think they are just ridiculously expensive toys.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #7 on: Thursday, March 03, 2011, 09:10:10 AM »
Only if you buy boardgame apps to play on it.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #8 on: Thursday, March 03, 2011, 10:39:22 AM »
There are some very legitimate uses for iPads.  Our company is seriously considering replacing the laptops our sales guys carry with them. 

I can absolutely see the allure of having one, especially if you travel a lot.  Personally I have no use for one at this moment, although if I were given one I'd certainly find a few. 

Hey man if you got the cash to burn go for it.  A few alternatives are popping up, like the Motorola Xoom (my friend got a demo unit from Verizon to test out today).  Those might warrant at least a glance before you go for it.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #9 on: Thursday, March 03, 2011, 11:49:58 AM »
I bought one last year for my mom. I think it's great for people who aren't particularly into computers (like my mom). It's easy to use: browse the internet, check mail, look at photos, reading books, etc.

It's hardly perfect in my opinion (still locked to iTunes, lack of key built-in apps, missing features that should be there from day one, etc.) so it wouldn't be a must-buy for me personally. Though there are some apps that I wouldn't mind using, like one that lets me control a virtual audio mixer using touch controls on the iPad.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #10 on: Thursday, March 03, 2011, 11:54:00 AM »
Our company is seriously considering replacing the laptops our sales guys carry with them. 
Our company is too, but really only so that our sales people look cool and trendy in front of clients.  I'm not kidding.

To me, I think it makes people look like the opposite.  But again this is just one person's opinion.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #11 on: Thursday, March 03, 2011, 12:20:19 PM »
I would consider an Android tablet but refuse to consider any Apple product for personal use.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #12 on: Thursday, March 03, 2011, 12:39:22 PM »
I'm to the point now that I wouldn't mind owning one, despite having a lifelong hatred for Apple. I like gadgets and stuff, and I'm beginning to wonder just how big iPad/iPod gaming will get.

I played my dad's old PC, Atari 2600, NES, SNES, and some Genesis. I never had a Commodore 64 or a Master System, and I didn't experience Diablo or Quake until they were already old news, because I bought them and my PC wouldn't run them. What are the chances this takes off and ends up being similar.


As far as looking like a douche, I don't care. I'd think it would make me look like a dork, and that doesn't bother me. The price, now that's something that bothers me.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #13 on: Thursday, March 03, 2011, 11:12:16 PM »
I like my Touch.  I hate to say that I like an Apple product, but there you have it.  However, I don't like anything about it another company couldn't just as easily duplicate (with exception of the app store and how much stuff is in it, often for cheapish), and there are a lot of negatives I really hate about it that I would probably go away if another company was producing it.  I can see the allure of an iPad after seeing the uses of my Touch, but on the whole, I don't think I'd like it and would entirely regret having one.  The best thing about the Touch is how small it is.  I don't want anything larger than that if it isn't going to be a thing of decent power like a laptop.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #14 on: Thursday, March 03, 2011, 11:37:18 PM »
There are some things I like about Apple and Apple products and some things I don't.  It's just another company trying to take my money.  Let the best product win.  What I don't like is the cult following, Apple can do no wrong mentality that tends to rear its head after an Apple purchase. 

I don't understand blind corporate loyalty for any company really.  I also don't understand blind corporate hate either.  As in, "I hate Apple because everyone likes it."  Well, no I shouldn't say I don't understand it.  I think I understand this behavior, I just think it's stupid.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #15 on: Friday, March 04, 2011, 09:41:32 AM »
So I've thought hard about it some more and I think I am going to hold off. Like said scott said, its an expensive toy, though one that I would like to have but right now its too much of a financial investment for something I won't use all that much except when traveling which I don't do that much. Plus theres some other stuff I think I need the money for right now anyway.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #16 on: Friday, March 04, 2011, 03:03:57 PM »
At the very least you want to hold off until the iPad2 comes out.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 06:12:44 AM »
I can see the point. Right now I only have a laptop since I need to take my computer to class and love it for being able to do casual browsing all over the house. After university I can very easily see having a powerful desktop with a nice monitor combined with a tablet for using on the couch or watching shows as I make dinner in the kitchen.

I couldn't go back to having only a desktop but buying a laptop that never leaves the house seems like a waste of money. The desktop + tablet combination gives you the best of both worlds.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 06:23:17 AM »
I have something that I can use to do casual browsing all over the place.  Oh yeah, and it fits in my pocket.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 07:23:48 AM »
There's a pretty big difference between reading on a 3-4 inch screen and an 8 inch screen. When you're at home, fitting something into your pocket isn't a selling point. Also, the main thing I do with my computer is watch tv shows when I'm cooking and that can't be done on a phone.

I get it, you don't like tablets. The market exists though and they do have a use. It's only going to get bigger.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 07:29:35 AM »
Unless I'm mistaken, Scott's aversion is to Apple's tablet (the iPad) and not the tablet format.  There's definitely a legitimate market for a small laptop PC minus a keyboard plus a touch-sensitive screen.  I wouldn't mind something like that myself.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 07:40:09 AM »
Well there is no question that I loathe Apple, its fanboys, and Steve Jobs, but I honestly don't see any real utility for any tablet like the iPad, Xoom, or Galaxy Tab.  They are fun toys, sure.  If they were $100 - $150 I might think about having one.  But not for the price range they are at.  No way.

I already have a laptop and a smartphone.  There is not enough increased utility in a tablet for me to even give a tablet one second thought.  Sure, there is a bigger screen that makes it more useful than a phone in some cases but you sacrifice the portability you get with a phone.  And to me the portability of a smartphone far outweighs the fact that its screen really isn't all that big in comparison to a tablet.  I can't really replace my phone with say an iPad, but I can replace 95% of what I would use an iPad for with my phone and get some additional utility such as being able to make calls.

Also, ren, keep in mind that I am not just someone resisting the trend.  I demoed an iPad for close to a week, taking it home and carrying it around with me.  I found it to be neat technologically, but found its actual utility to be seriously lacking.  Maybe I'd like a Xoom better, but everyting is targeting the iPad at this point so I would not expect the experience to differ much.  And I truly gave the iPad a fair shake.  I didn't hate Apple at the time; I actually was thinking about getting a MacBook Pro for myself around the time I tried out the iPad.

In my opinion, at least 80% of iPad-style tablet owners or people that want to get a tablet have/want one because it is cool and trendy.  Even if they don't realize it.  It's mostly people succumbing to Apple's marketing machine.  Many people that own an iPad that I've talked to rarely ever even use the thing anymore, but of course in typical Apple zealot fashion they defend their purchase as if their lives depended on it.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 07:46:55 AM »
I sort of agree with Scott.  While I am sure I would find uses for it, it's just not worth the current price to me.  I will say that there are people out there that would have legitimate uses for them though.  I can definitely see the allure.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 07:48:12 AM »
Well there is no question that I loathe Apple, its fanboys, and Steve Jobs, but I honestly don't see any real utility for any tablet like the iPad, Xoom, or Galaxy Tab.  They are fun toys, sure.  If they were $100 - $150 I might think about having one.  But not for the price range they are at.  No way.

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In my opinion, at least 80% of iPad-style tablet owners or people that want to get a tablet have/want one because it is cool and trendy.  Even if they don't realize it.  It's mostly people succumbing to Apple's marketing machine.

Yeah, that's where I thought you were coming from, and I agree wholeheartedly.  I also agree that the price point of tablets has been established by evil Apple, so the whole market is tainted.  At some point, someone will discover that you can take an open platform like the PC, modify it, and join the fray.  (That's why I called it a laptop minus keyboard plus touch screen.)  Then prices will get where they should be.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 10:33:51 AM »
I guess I don't get out enough, but I didn't realize having an iPad was trendy. I've never actually seen someone with one, and I would think people would find it dorky.

I'll probably never have one, or even a similar product because of the price. I just can't see myself ever having enough disposable income to justify those prices. If the Apple model remains the one to have, I'll never even be able to buy an older model, because they don't offer them. With a lot of electronics, you can buy an older model for less, but with Apple they only offer the very latest version, so you're always paying the very highest price.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #25 on: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 10:43:45 PM »
As much as I dislike Apple, the iPad 2 is looking like a really slick device.  If there weren't other tablets out right now, I would definitely say get an iPad 2 if you were in the market for such a device.

However, with the advent of Android tablets as well, I'm still on the fence of what tablet I want and if I want a tablet at all.  There are pros and cons for each, and weighing in those factors, I am actually leaning towards the iPad 2.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 07:10:00 AM »
Well there is no question that I loathe Apple, its fanboys, and Steve Jobs, but I honestly don't see any real utility for any tablet like the iPad, Xoom, or Galaxy Tab.  They are fun toys, sure.  If they were $100 - $150 I might think about having one.  But not for the price range they are at.  No way.

I already have a laptop and a smartphone.  There is not enough increased utility in a tablet for me to even give a tablet one second thought.  Sure, there is a bigger screen that makes it more useful than a phone in some cases but you sacrifice the portability you get with a phone.  And to me the portability of a smartphone far outweighs the fact that its screen really isn't all that big in comparison to a tablet.  I can't really replace my phone with say an iPad, but I can replace 95% of what I would use an iPad for with my phone and get some additional utility such as being able to make calls.

Also, ren, keep in mind that I am not just someone resisting the trend.  I demoed an iPad for close to a week, taking it home and carrying it around with me.  I found it to be neat technologically, but found its actual utility to be seriously lacking.  Maybe I'd like a Xoom better, but everyting is targeting the iPad at this point so I would not expect the experience to differ much.  And I truly gave the iPad a fair shake.  I didn't hate Apple at the time; I actually was thinking about getting a MacBook Pro for myself around the time I tried out the iPad.

In my opinion, at least 80% of iPad-style tablet owners or people that want to get a tablet have/want one because it is cool and trendy.  Even if they don't realize it.  It's mostly people succumbing to Apple's marketing machine.  Many people that own an iPad that I've talked to rarely ever even use the thing anymore, but of course in typical Apple zealot fashion they defend their purchase as if their lives depended on it.

I agree and disagree with you at the same time. Right now, tablets, specifically iPads are trendy and offer little utility outside of being a cool toy. But when I picture the future of computing/entertainment in general, it's centered around the tablet. I see desktop computers gradually disappearing and being replaced by a tablet for a few reasons. First of all, they're going to be pushed by corporations. Selling apps and subscriptions through a controlled platform that has the simplicity to appeal to a mass user base is massive. People are used to not paying for computer programs. People are especially used to not paying for news and other media through a computer but seem to be much more willing to do so on tablets. Second of all, developers seem to love it. The way people are making apps nowadays is reminiscent of the modding community for pc games in the 90s. Third, it's just sexy. Tablets look sleek. They look like theybelong in a living room ina way that computers don't. The touch interface is also stupidly intuitive. Judging by the way I've seen older people and less technology savvy people use tablets, moreso than a mouse.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 07:29:50 AM »
I agree and disagree with you at the same time. Right now, tablets, specifically iPads are trendy and offer little utility outside of being a cool toy. But when I picture the future of computing/entertainment in general, it's centered around the tablet. I see desktop computers gradually disappearing and being replaced by a tablet for a few reasons. First of all, they're going to be pushed by corporations. Selling apps and subscriptions through a controlled platform that has the simplicity to appeal to a mass user base is massive. People are used to not paying for computer programs. People are especially used to not paying for news and other media through a computer but seem to be much more willing to do so on tablets. Second of all, developers seem to love it. The way people are making apps nowadays is reminiscent of the modding community for pc games in the 90s. Third, it's just sexy. Tablets look sleek. They look like theybelong in a living room ina way that computers don't. The touch interface is also stupidly intuitive. Judging by the way I've seen older people and less technology savvy people use tablets, moreso than a mouse.

Which is more huge?  How are you going to convince the masses (not just the fashion slaves) that payments and restrictions win over free and freedom?

As I said, there is no reason why you can't take the open PC platform and make a tablet from it.  Someone will do this.  There is too much of a potential market for it.  Then the corporations trying to own all your computer usage will fall back to Square One.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 09:15:34 AM »
That depends by what you mean by open PC platform. Android is an open platform that's aimed at tablets that I'm not sure why you're discounting.

If by PC platform you mean something that you can install on any old computer, how would you see it happening? I would bet that Microsoft will heavily integrate Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 but it would be Windows Phone 8 that ends up on tablets instead of a desktop iteration. Apple's already made their decision. Linux? I don't see how it could have any advantages over something like Android that carry enough of a critical mass.

Which is more huge?  How are you going to convince the masses (not just the fashion slaves) that payments and restrictions win over free and freedom?

I don't think the masses will have much of a choice. Any kind of publication is going to prefer an app over their website. Even if an app is free, you can't use an adblocker on an iPad but you can on a PC.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 01:49:05 PM »
No, the hardware has to come up from scratch, but it would be based on the PC platform.  It would be akin to a small laptop/notebook with no keyboard, plus a touch-sensitive screen.  It could work under some form of Windows with appropriate low-level drivers and interface software, but this is only the most obvious example.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 01:11:22 AM »
I may be wrong, but I believe they've kind of been trying to get that off the ground for a while (HP Slate).  The problem has always kind of been the UI of windows just isn't meant for a touch screen...which I guess has some sort of an effect.  Well, that and a lack of touch-centric programs.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 08:36:00 AM »
Yeah, I've thought of that.  But with a big enough carrot--and I think this carrot is huge--they'll power through those issues.  New drivers and a new UI layer are not that hard to do.

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Re: So I'm thinking about getting an iPad
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 02:05:19 PM »
Personal preference aside, do you think something like that would compete on par with the closed platforms we see now, take over the market or just act in a small niche? I don't see the appeal to the layman but most of you know far more about technology than I do.