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Offline Pugnate

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Taser time?
« on: Friday, November 17, 2006, 12:21:30 PM »

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Re: Taser time?
« Reply #1 on: Friday, November 17, 2006, 01:34:20 PM »
People are quick to jump to conclusions.  I heard "Stand up!" like 200 times.  It doesn't matter who you are, if you don't cooperate with the police, that or something similar is going to happen to you.

NOTE:  I watched about 3 minutes of it.

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Re: Taser time?
« Reply #2 on: Friday, November 17, 2006, 01:45:05 PM »
I have no idea what happened or and why they came for him. But like scottws mentioned, they told him to stand up a dozen times; warning him what would happen if he didn't.

I love YouTube's comments about racism... umm.. yeah...

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« Reply #3 on: Friday, November 17, 2006, 01:54:10 PM »
No racism.

Just a fucking idiotic moron who didn't know how to listen to police officers.

Fucking hate these college kids nowadays.
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Re: Taser time?
« Reply #4 on: Friday, November 17, 2006, 02:45:35 PM »
Apparently his case is that when he was tasered he didn't have the capacity to stand up, since a jolt like that paralyzes you for fifteen minutes?

Yea but I am sure it wasn't racist.

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Re: Taser time?
« Reply #5 on: Friday, November 17, 2006, 02:52:10 PM »
I notice that during a lull after he first got tasered he speaks with a very clear, co-herent voice about some bullshit or something. If he couldn't get up then why did he not tell the officers "Hey, I cannot move". Instead he spouts some bullshit about racial profiling and how he was just about to leave or something.

He was being a total jackass to begin with. He refused to give ID to anyone and went completly limp and dropped to the ground when a police officer put his hand on him. Seriously. Could you be more stupid? He was just asking for the taser.
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Re: Taser time?
« Reply #6 on: Friday, November 17, 2006, 03:00:30 PM »

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Re: Taser time?
« Reply #7 on: Friday, November 17, 2006, 03:02:35 PM »
Tasers dont paralyze you. They hurt like hell while they are on, but as soon as they turn off the juice you pretty much go back to normal. Before you are issued a taser as an officer, you are tased yourself so you know exactly what its like.

This is what Ive read as the background of this story (read this on Tribalwar, and some posters in the thread were witnesses to the event). The school library after hours will only allow students in. They know people do papers late at night, and thats apparently what this guy was doing. They announced that they were making the rounds to check student IDs. This guy refused to show his, and then later said it was back in his room. They asked him to leave again, and he refused. So they called campus police (which in this case have all the same authority as regular police).

This next part is a little fuzzy. Some say he was already following orders to leave when the officer put his hand on his shoulder to escort him out. Thats when the video starts...the guy freaking and yelling. Other reports are he wasnt following orders at all so they grabbed his arm to escort him out. Either way, once the officer grabbed his arm the dude goes limp and wont get up. They warn him about what they will do if he doesnt comply, he doesnt, so he got tased.

Pretty much the guy is a dumbass. They ask for ID, you notice you dont have yours, go back to your room to get it, come back and finish your paper. Instead you decide to be a defiant asshole for no reason and got tased + probably spent the night in jail.

A lot of people commenting on tasers dont really know a lot about them or how they are used. Luckily, in that same TW thread a few cops posted. The taser is relatively harmless and can save both sides from serious injury. Cops dont have to get in a fight if the guy resists them, break his arm trying to cuff him or whatever. This situation was exactly what the taser is meant for.

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Re: Taser time?
« Reply #8 on: Friday, November 17, 2006, 04:50:27 PM »
The video is horrible.  It's nearly useless as a record of what actually happened.  Even so, what little I saw leads me to disagree with the consensus here.  The guy is refusing to obey the orders of the establishment's authority figures.  This is called "civil disobedience".  It's a cornerstone of the events which led to the independence of India, with Mohatma Ghandi leading the peaceful, passive revolution.

Clearly, what happened here is of infinitely less importance and merit.  However, assault with a painful, if non-lethal, weapon in response to mere refusal to move, I think is not warranted.  The guy needed to be carried out bodily, not tortured.

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Re: Taser time?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday, November 18, 2006, 10:13:54 AM »
I say the guy deserved it.

He sounds like a punk who was just waiting for something like this to happen so he could scream nonsense about the patriot act and complain about police brutality.


Edit: after watching the whole thing I noticed something I've noticed on just about every video accusing police of brutality, which is the person shouting something - "I said I would leave!!!" and doing something else - laying on the ground and shouting about how he was tazed for no reason and how he was trying to leave.  All he had to do was stand up and leave.

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Re: Taser time?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday, November 18, 2006, 11:51:11 AM »
Yeah, I say he got what was coming to him.  I don't care who you are or where you're from, act like a jackass and reap the rewards.

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Re: Taser time?
« Reply #11 on: Monday, November 20, 2006, 08:29:54 AM »
[size=8]ALL OF YOU ARE WRONG[/size] 'cept for Cobra.

The video only starts after the student had been tasered once, which makes it useless as an account of what caused the situation. Here's a more complete account (which, coincidentally, is also the place where that video was published).
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At around 11:30 p.m., CSOs asked a male student using a computer in the back of the room to leave when he was unable to produce a BruinCard during a random check. The student did not exit the building immediately.

The CSOs left, returning minutes later, and police officers arrived to escort the student out. By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well.

The student began to yell "get off me," repeating himself several times.

It was at this point that the officers shot the student with a Taser for the first time, causing him to fall to the floor and cry out in pain. The student also told the officers he had a medical condition.
So (according to what I understand to be consistent eyewitness accounts), he didn't have his student ID and he didn't leave immediately when asked, but he was a student and therefore did have the right to be there. The officers intercepted him as he was leaving, which was what created the situation. The officers also threatened to taze the other students for asking questions (like, "What's your badge number?"). (Coincidentally, if a cop threatened to tase me for asking a legitimate question, it might quickly become a bad thing to be that cop. That threat is coercion, not justice, and that person is a criminal, not a cop.)

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Re: Taser time?
« Reply #12 on: Monday, November 20, 2006, 09:38:52 AM »
I hardly consider The Daily Bruin a credible source -_-

Having read The Daily Bruin nearly every day for 2 years, I concluded that it was run by lying, biased idiots who have no idea what journalism is.
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Re: Taser time?
« Reply #13 on: Monday, November 20, 2006, 05:52:57 PM »
I didn't see anything in the video suggesting that it started after the guy was tazed the first time, although it is certainly possible.  The video starts out with the guy yelling at the officers not to touch him.  I also don't hear them threating to tase anyone but the guy they were trying to escort out.


As cobra said the video is essentially useless, you almost never see anything useful, but based on the audio which is farily clear I think the officers were within their rights.