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HD DVD and Blu Ray DRM
« on: Thursday, December 28, 2006, 12:26:17 AM »

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Re: HD DVD and Blu Ray DRM
« Reply #1 on: Thursday, December 28, 2006, 12:49:32 AM »
Heh. God bless those little hackers. I shouldn't be amazed at how quickly they get this stuff done anymore. It took what, all of a couple months?

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Re: HD DVD and Blu Ray DRM
« Reply #2 on: Thursday, December 28, 2006, 12:51:19 AM »
Hurray.

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Re: HD DVD and Blu Ray DRM
« Reply #3 on: Thursday, December 28, 2006, 12:54:51 AM »
Almost as bad as a grandma burn.

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Re: HD DVD and Blu Ray DRM
« Reply #4 on: Thursday, December 28, 2006, 12:57:49 AM »
Whatever. That is just way too much inconvenience. I could buy a HD DVD drive, and with my 8800GTX I'd still be not able to play a movie because my monitor isn't HDCP compliant. That is just bullshit, especially when you factor in the costs of the movie and vista as well.

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The program allows one to decrypt and dump the video for play on a users hard drive, or it can be burned to a blank HD-DVD and played on a stand-alone playe

Huh? So if I want to pop in a movie I have to decrypt and store to hard drive, which should take an hour? Or wow, I can burn it to a blank HD-DVD!! Weeee... how many of us have HD-DVD burners?

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Re: HD DVD and Blu Ray DRM
« Reply #5 on: Thursday, December 28, 2006, 01:05:28 AM »
Baby steps, pug. We said the same thing when DVD rips were coming out.

The formats still suck, but it makes me smile knowing they put so much time and effort into the DRM and it gets broken this quickly.

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Re: HD DVD and Blu Ray DRM
« Reply #6 on: Thursday, December 28, 2006, 01:20:00 AM »
This is great. Can't wait to rip them movies to something more manageable and watch 'em on a regular monitor! Now if only the HD war was over...

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Re: HD DVD and Blu Ray DRM
« Reply #7 on: Thursday, December 28, 2006, 10:38:14 AM »
From what I gather, someone just figured out how to get the decrypt key out of memory from one particular program (PowerDVD). They could (maybe, I'm still figuring out what happened) revoke that particular key on all subsequent releases, in which case they'll need to keep cracking programs to get access to individual movies.

So the situation will be deeply analogous to the current NoCD/NoDVD cracks for videogames.

Hardware-based security (including the Palladium/Untrustable Computing/Next-Generation Unsecurable Computing/Digital Restrictions Management/ha-ha-we're-the-big-companies-and-fuck-all-you-users-and-programmers) is a whole different animal than anything we've seen before, but I'm glad/unsurprised to learn that the media companies didn't implement it very well.

Better Ars Technica article. Expect information to change rapidly as the story progresses.
This is great. Can't wait to rip them movies to something more manageable and watch 'em on a regular monitor! Now if only the HD war was over...
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NEC dual-mode chip can power both Blu-ray, HD DVD at no extra cost

The gist of it: HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are almost exactly the same product, only incompatible. The logic behind this was that either the DVD or Blu-Ray Consortium companies would be able to make a whole lot of money by controlling the next generation's format. Except, oops, the same thing that happened the last few times, happened again; now there are two competing formats running on the same hardware with the same feature set, differing only in licensing fees and the like.
The HD-DVD/Blu-Ray licenses currently forbid manufacturers from making hybrid players, although I give that contractual provision about a 2% chance of surviving in court. (Can you say "wildly unpopular anti-competitive legalistic bullshit"?)
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Re: HD DVD and Blu Ray DRM
« Reply #8 on: Thursday, December 28, 2006, 11:25:02 AM »
Oh, this is just so amusing.

Pat on the head to the first person that can find a torrent for any HD-DVD movie ripped with this technique. EDIT: So as to discourage piracy, it will only count if the movie is Van Helsing.

Damn... there's just no end to the satisfaction I get from watching their mismanaged clusterfucks crash and burn.
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Re: HD DVD and Blu Ray DRM
« Reply #9 on: Thursday, December 28, 2006, 01:44:49 PM »
Some time ago, I read an interesting article on DRM.  The gist of it was that any DRM on self-contained digital recordings can be cracked, because the concept is flawed.  The recording must supply the player hardware with the encrypted data, the method of decryption and any decryption keys.  All a hacker has to do is figure out how to become a listener into that conversation (between the recording/software and the player).  He doesn't have to know anything about cryptology.  Even if all that is exchanged is an index into a secret list of keys, the player would obviously need to know the contents of that secret list, and again, it's a matter of letting the player tell you what the list is.  It's a matter of figuring out how to intercept the data stream, and making sense out of it, not decryption by the hacker.

In contrast, encryption succeeds when data files are sent encrypted from one person to another.  Only the person at each end needs to know the encryption keys and encryption method.  If the transfer is intercepted, there is no way to circumvent the heavy toil of encryption-code cracking, because all you have is the encrypted data, not the decryption instrument or keys.

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Re: HD DVD and Blu Ray DRM
« Reply #10 on: Monday, January 01, 2007, 04:22:24 PM »
Some time ago, I read an interesting article on DRM.  The gist of it was that any DRM on self-contained digital recordings can be cracked, because the concept is flawed.  The recording must supply the player hardware with the encrypted data, the method of decryption and any decryption keys. 
Of course, the decrypt keys are themselves encrypted using a public pre-shared key. This makes the public decrypt keys the weak point, which is why (for example) HDCP uses many millions(?) of them.

Speaking of HDCP, it was born broken:
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*Ian Goldberg
Zero Knowledge Systems

Robert Johnson    |     Dawn Song    |     David Wagner
University of California at Berkeley*

*What is HDCP?*

High bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) is a system for preventing access to plaintext video data sent over Digital Visual Interface (DVI). Any technique that allows access to the plaintext data is considered breaking the system.

I show that with the public and private keys from 40 devices and *O(402)* work I can violate the design requirement--I can access the plaintext. Furthermore, with the 40 sets of keys and at most *O(240)* offline work [ed - 240 is on the order of trillions of operations - modern consumer hardware could break this in hours or days] I can usurp the central authority completely.
Ah-Ha-Ha-Ha.

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Re: HD DVD and Blu Ray DRM
« Reply #11 on: Monday, January 01, 2007, 04:33:37 PM »
Can no one else hear it? The roar of their failure is like angels singing.