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obZen ... a lesson in depravity
« on: Thursday, January 17, 2008, 09:01:34 PM »
A track from obZen.

Bang your head until your neck snaps.  Don't expect this to be final production, it was taken from a live radio broadcast, and I don't know what the original quality was.

Also, this track is fucking bloody amazing.  Don't let the odd quality scare you (might just be my headphones, actually, heh), but man... this is so far from Nothing it isn't even funny.  This makes parts of Chaosphere look like they're standing still.
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Re: A treat for the 2 or 3 Meshuggah fans here.
« Reply #1 on: Friday, January 18, 2008, 01:43:47 AM »

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Re: A treat for the 2 or 3 Meshuggah fans here.
« Reply #2 on: Friday, January 18, 2008, 02:27:20 AM »
Holy shit, that was a fucking brutal track!  Now I'm even more eager for the new CD to come out.  I'm going to be listening to this track for days now.

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Re: A treat for the 2 or 3 Meshuggah fans here.
« Reply #3 on: Friday, January 18, 2008, 06:13:57 AM »
Oh my god... that was fucking amazing. This is gonna be album of the year easily.

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Re: A treat for the 2 or 3 Meshuggah fans here.
« Reply #4 on: Friday, January 18, 2008, 08:27:01 AM »
I had it on repeat for like an hour, haha.  March is so far away...

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Re: A treat for the 2 or 3 Meshuggah fans here.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday, January 19, 2008, 06:36:37 PM »
Meshuggah has fans?

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Re: New Meshuggah album -- update!
« Reply #6 on: Friday, January 25, 2008, 02:19:47 AM »
Yes.  And they've all done your mom.

So I managed to get myself a copy of the album.  Those of you who are resourceful will likely be able to do the same.  I've spent a good three or so hours with it today, and... it's interesting.

Okay, so I'll get into it.  Basically, to get the negative out of the way first, this is the first Meshuggah album that's ever seemed a little samey to me.  The primary reason for this is because a lot of the tone is coming straight out of Nothing, and there are some compositional ideas used here that have been used along that album's already well-trodden ground.  Too, this calls attention to points where some of the patterns seem a little bit too mathematically familiar.  This is a little bit of a shame, and is my main knock on the album.  My secondary knock is I feel like I've heard Jens do a lot of vocal stuff like this before.  There's nothing bad, and he still does this stuff like nobody else, but for some reason it seems more familiar than some of what he's given us before.

HOWEVER ...

I'd say that quite honestly, this is the album Nothing should have been, or rather what I expected Nothing to be before it was released.  It takes the same general stylistic outlook and makes it a good deal less ponderous with a general increase in tempo and complexity.  So while not every last bit here feels quite as original as it should, and this isn't the revolutionary new album that the band traditionally delivers with a new release, it's still really stinking good and comes equipped with some evolutionary stuff every bit as good as their best work.  Ultimately, I don't feel at all disappointed, and this is probably more exciting to me than the releases of I and Catch 33.  Also, it marks the return of Haake working his magic on the drums for the actual recording instead of just some of the extensive programming done with the Drum Kit From Hell as was the case with the last.  Yes, the little differences make all the difference.  It feels great to have him back.  Also, there's a much heavier presence of Thordendal solo work here, and it isn't as wanky as he can sometimes be.  It goes a long way toward keeping things refreshing.

We start strong with "Combustion", the album opener and one of the best songs on the album.  This is memorable stuff that will put you in the mood for more and yet will keep coming back to you even after you've finished listening and put the thing down.  We move to the very Nothing-esque overtones of "Electric Red", overtones that eventually give way to some pretty amazingly heavy breakdowns that get you pumped.  You'll stay pumped through "Bleed", which comes in as track 3 and is most likely the best song on the album.  If you liked the low quality version, you can expect to go nuts with the real thing.  I don't need to say anything more about that one.  "Lethargica" follows, and as the name indicates, this one moves slowest of all songs on the album.  This is the spiritual sister to "Closed Eye Visuals", I'd say, and also features some brutal low-end breakdowns akin to those on "Nebulous".  The tempo kicks back up with the 5th song, the title track "obZen".  It's worthy of the distinction, featuring some cool patterns and some decent breakdowns.  Track 6 is "This Spiteful Snake", seemingly built of blockier chords and a lot more mutes.  Some good moments, but this isn't my favorite.  7 picks up the pace again with "Pineal Gland Optics", and this probably stands as one of the top 3 or 4 tunes of the album due to some kickass rhythm patterns that are addictive even though they'd be right at home on any of the last 3 albums.  Good shit.  Track 8, "Pravus", is quite driven, and the slight monotony of one throwback segment is broken by some killer breakdowns.  A bit more compositionally unique on the whole.  Track 9 is the final track, the 9-minute epic "Dancers to a Discordant System".  This one has its ups and downs, but in general feels like a good way to end the album, especially given how well it seems to fit the evolved Nothing sound that's prevalent throughout the whole disc.

So there you go.  I gotta' get the hell to bed because it's way too late, but if your curiosity was burning a hole in your head, hopefully that eases the pain a little.  It looks like we'll all have another quality record to add to our collections a little over a month from now.  Long live the Crazy Fucking Swedes™.

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Re: New Meshuggah album -- update!
« Reply #7 on: Friday, January 25, 2008, 02:41:22 AM »
Yes, well that doesn't surprise me considering their low standards in other areas...

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Re: New Meshuggah album -- update!
« Reply #8 on: Friday, January 25, 2008, 01:00:15 PM »
I found the album and I've got a chance to listen though it twice now and it is good stuff.  "Bleed" is probably my favorite track.  The first 3 tracks are a very stong start for the album and "Dancers to a Discordant System" is a pretty interesting track and a good way to close it.  I'm enjoying it a lot so far and will probably be listening to this for the next few days.  I'm also glad that Haake is back on the drums, it makes a difference.

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Re: obZen ... a lesson in depravity.
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 10:09:38 PM »
Okay, so... damn.  I just got the actual album tonight, and I was looking through the lyrics.  I'm like... creeped out now.  And I completely understand the cover art, which is now more creepy than it was originally.  I hadn't tried terribly hard before to give a real deep listen to the lyrics, but I caught a much more Chaosphere-ish vibe than some previous stuff.  The last two releases were much more thoughtful in general, and Nothing was much more introspective and spiritual than anything else.

Well, not so with obZen.  This is some seriously dark shit.  Thankfully it's all Haake doing the writing this time (I'm less a fan of Marten's lyrics usually), though I wouldn't say this is his best work.  There are some pretty heavy and intensely piercing moments, but there's also some stuff that reads like filler.  But still...

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no edges blurred on this awareness
no unknown weight to tip the knowledge scales
eyes dilated to grasp it all
as every illusion of what we are fails

That starts the album, and that's about as happy as it gets.  Through the next few songs we get stuff like:

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the implement, the device of my extinction
 - the terminating clockwork of my gleeful bane
the definitive scourge of its mockery
 - the end-art instrument's lethality attained

 ...

its design perfected through aeons
pure, immaculate, clean, omnicidal god/machine

This all leads up to the grisly title track, which I hadn't deciphered quite enough of to realize just how fucked up it is.  Reads like an evil bible or something.

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a state of perfection, immersed in filth
equilibrium attained
pure in devotion to all things unwell
this sweet zen of ill condition sustained

 ...

balance
harmony found in the sickly, the vile
unflinching eyes, joyous and gleaming
intense in their need to watch things die

What creeps me out about this stuff is because I'm so familiar with Haake's other writing, which is usually the antithesis of this sort of thing.  When he talks about zen-like stuff or new age stuff, it's usually in a more traditional sense.  Mind over matter, seeing beyond the veil of normal sight, dream versus reality, what have you.  Most of his metaphors are fairly harmless, and most of their most "violent" and intense music seems to express an equal amount of doubt and self-depredation amidst whatever other more outward sentiments are there.  But this stuff... it's creepy because if you've listened to Meshuggah for a long time, this is taking something familiar and just making it slick with sacrificial blood.  Balance in death and violence?  Perfection in filth?  Devotion to complete impurity?  Even Chaosphere really wasn't like that, despite being more typically "metal" in the lyrical sense.

So yeah, this shit is creepy.  I sort of got the general idea beforehand, but now the term "obZen" holds a much darker, more disturbing definition for me.  This is one of those times I really wish I could talk to Haake directly and find out if there was a personal reason for this turn, or if he just wanted to write something brutal for the sake of it.  I appreciate the vengeful implications of total disregard for others ala "Sane", which is always a cathartic listen for me, but again, the lack of shown or at least implied reluctance here seems a step beyond.  If it were just a song or two I'd pass it off as just wanting to write some dark metal stuff, but the album raises it's banner and gets the fucking job done at the cost of all other sentiments.  It's striking, and I may listen to this one with more care if I listen at work.

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by the poisoned nails of history stung
if granted the will to injure
if granted the will to harm
 - the blades of hurt inexhaustibly swung
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Re: obZen ... a lesson in depravity
« Reply #10 on: Thursday, April 10, 2008, 11:39:15 AM »
Yeah, I've looked through the lyrics a few times and was also surprised by how dark it is, "Bleed" has some really crazy stuff, like this and the other piece you posted:

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Falling into the clarity of undoing
Scornful gods haggle for my soul
Minds eye flickers and vellicates as I let go
Taunting whispers accompany my deletion

I wonder if Haake will ever shed some light on why the lyrics are so dark in this one if he hasn't already.

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Re: obZen ... a lesson in depravity
« Reply #11 on: Sunday, June 01, 2008, 02:29:30 PM »
I wasn't aware a video had come out for "Bleed" so I watched it and its suprisingly dark and creepy for a Meshuggah video and it fits the overall tone for the album quite nicely, even though it is quite different from their previous videos.  The video is here if anyone is interested.

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Re: obZen ... a lesson in depravity
« Reply #12 on: Sunday, June 01, 2008, 05:26:41 PM »
Damn, that's some creepy shit.  That's really almost their first real produced video, the other ones were pretty garbage.  Not that I'm into music videos at all anyway, but still... at least this one actually looks like it's from a band that's, you know, been signed to a record label and wasn't just fiddling with lame CG in their buddy's apartment.

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