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The 8800 is coming.
« on: Friday, October 06, 2006, 01:45:05 AM »
I sold my 7800GTX for $300 three months ago, and this time has been really difficult without PC gaming. Fortunately the end of my fasting from PC gaming seems near.

Nvidia has dropped a bomb.

Basically I was waiting for the R600 from ATi. The specs had been leaked and it was looking like a beast. Meanwhile Nvidia had been very secretive about their card, which is normally a really bad sign. We all expected the G80 to be good, but not nearly as brilliant as the monster that ATi had been flaunting.

The R600 was expected to launch December, but because of the merger, and the fact that Nvidia's G80's rumored specs were weak, the R600 was delayed till February to take more time.

The fact was that ATi got over confident primarly because the R600 was shaping to be a monster next gen. card, and also because the competition was so quiet. ATi like all the analysts mistook the quietness for weakness.

Turns out Nvidia threw a googlyl:

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DirectX 10 compliant GeForce 8800GTX and 8800GTS headed your way

DailyTech's hands-on with the GeForce 8800 series continues with more information about the GPU and the retail boards. The new NVIDIA graphics architecture will be fully compatible with Microsoft’s upcoming DirectX 10 API with support for shader model 4.0, and represents the company's 8th generation GPU in the GeForce family.

NVIDIA has code-named G80 based products as the GeForce 8800 series. While the 7900 and 7800 series launched with GT and GTX suffixes, G80 will do away with the GT suffix. Instead, NVIDIA has revived the GTS suffix for its second fastest graphics product—a suffix that hasn’t been used since the GeForce 2 days.

NVIDIA’s GeForce 8800GTX will be the flagship product. The core clock will be factory clocked at 575 MHz. All GeForce 8800GTX cards will be equipped with 768MB of GDDR3 memory, to be clocked at 900 MHz. The GeForce 8800GTX  will also have a 384-bit memory interface and deliver 86GB/second of memory bandwidth. GeForce 8800GTX graphics cards are equipped with 128 unified shaders clocked at 1350 MHz. The theoretical texture fill-rate is around 38.4 billion pixels per second.

Slotted right below the GeForce 8800GTX is the slightly cut-down GeForce 8800GTS. These graphics cards will have a G80 GPU clocked at a slower 500 MHz. The memory configuration for GeForce 8800GTS cards slightly differ from the GeForce 8800GTX. GeForce 8800GTS cards will be equipped with 640MB of GDDR3 graphics memory clocked at 900 MHz. The memory interface is reduced to 320-bit and overall memory bandwidth is 64GB/second. There will be fewer unified shaders with GeForce 8800GTS graphics cards. 96 unified shaders clocked at 1200 MHz are available on GeForce 8800GTS graphics cards.

Additionally GeForce 8800GTX and 8800GTS products are HDCP compliant with support for dual dual-link DVI, VIVO and HDTV outputs. All cards will have dual-slot coolers too.  Expect GeForce 8800GTX and 8800GTS products to launch the second week of November 2006. This will be a hard launch as most manufacturers should have boards ready now.

Kudos to Nvidia for keeping a lid on this till near launch date. The current gen. cards have on average 24 shaders per task. This has 128 unified shaders! That is nuts. The fact is that no one expected the G80 to best the R600, and with a three month head start, it is certainly a big blow.

Suddenly, having one of those new processors from Intel will be a massive advantage.

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The GTX is supposedly coming at $550+ which is crazy. The GTS which is still better than anything on the market will come at $400.

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Re: The 8800 is coming.
« Reply #1 on: Friday, October 06, 2006, 03:00:39 AM »
. . . which is still high.  The power requirement is like 450 watts for the GTX, 400 for the GTS.  In SLI mode, double that.  Am I behind the times, or does anyone else think needing your own dedicated circuit breaker for video cards is crazy?

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Re: The 8800 is coming.
« Reply #2 on: Friday, October 06, 2006, 06:23:08 AM »
That's insane!  And to think I was going to buy *only* a 500-550 W PSU for my next computer.

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Re: The 8800 is coming.
« Reply #3 on: Friday, October 06, 2006, 09:45:04 AM »
Seriously, my PSU is weeping already.  That's fucking crazy.

Am I the only one getting too old for this?  I mean, seriously.  I'm hardcore as anybody, but I just can't do this anymore.

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Re: The 8800 is coming.
« Reply #4 on: Friday, October 06, 2006, 10:17:28 AM »
No I agree with you. 450 is just too freakin' much. I have a 500 PSU and that may not be enough. As for keeping up, you can still do really well with what you have for a while to come. This is a good investment for the future though.

I expect price to drop by $50 in a month after release as usual.

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  In SLI mode, double that.  Am I behind the times, or does anyone else think needing your own dedicated circuit breaker for video cards is crazy?

Yea as for SLI, it isn't a worthy investment yet.

a) $$$ extra for the SLI mobo.
b) $$$ extra for the PSU.
c) $$$ extra for the video card.

For tops 25% performance that is just not worth it.

Like take for example you buy a $400 video card and a year later feel like upgrading. You coud either get another one of those cards for $200 or sell what you have and use that $200 to buy the latest thing that will get you better performance than SLI anyway.

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Re: The 8800 is coming.
« Reply #5 on: Friday, October 06, 2006, 02:46:40 PM »
Awww makes my computer feel inferior now.

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Re: The 8800 is coming.
« Reply #6 on: Friday, October 06, 2006, 11:57:46 PM »
Awesome, I can expect card prices to drop.  There's no fucking way I'm spending that much, but I'm always happy when something like this comes out to push the card I'm looking at's price down.

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Re: The 8800 is coming.
« Reply #7 on: Saturday, October 07, 2006, 01:58:08 AM »
Awesome, I can expect card prices to drop.  There's no fucking way I'm spending that much, but I'm always happy when something like this comes out to push the card I'm looking at's price down.

That is always the best way to look at it.

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Re: The 8800 is coming.
« Reply #8 on: Saturday, October 07, 2006, 11:06:13 PM »
*thinks about my GeForce 6600 GT*

*thinks about the current system requirements for most new games, which seem to mostly be calling for GeForce 5 series as the minimum -- such as F.E.A.R. and Oblivion*

I will probably change my video card when numerous brand new games available I want just don't support my GF 6600 GT at all -- as in, numerous brand new games just won't boot b/c my card's not on the minimum requirements.

Unless I can get a better video card for an extremely cheap price...chances of that are slim, probably...Video cards are quite expensive; especially the damn good ones....





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Re: The 8800 is coming.
« Reply #9 on: Sunday, October 08, 2006, 06:31:45 PM »
For Oblivion, my 5900 is the practical minimum.  Even then, it's only playable everywhere if one of the lighting passes goes bye bye (specular).  I've definitely fallen off of the developers' crosshairs now.  But my PC is upgraded as it's going to get.  Back in 2000, it started life as a 128MB PC600 system with a 1.4GHz Willamette P4, a GF2 MX and generic SBPCI card.  The architecture just can't take any more tweaking.  Good thing the PSU was 330 honest Watts to begin with.  Neither can my wallet, with RDRAM.  All slots are now populated with PC800 (total: 768 MB), and I'm not shelving any of those RIMMs to add higher-capacity ones.  The PSU can't take a decent card from the 6th gen and up.  AGP is obsolete.  It'd have to be a new system from the ground up, which ain't in the cards for me in the foreseeable future.  I'm definitely too old to hope for rich uncles leaving me all their wealth.

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Re: The 8800 is coming.
« Reply #10 on: Sunday, October 08, 2006, 11:00:17 PM »
This is a serious suggestion: Find a job in the UAE.