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« on: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 01:09:33 AM »
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I just watched. Been renting the best reviewed movies on rottentomatoes, so that's how I ended up with this.

Was very entertaining at least.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_%28film%29

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After its premiere at the Toronto Film Festival, Owen Gleiberman of Entertainment Weekly called Collapse  “one of the few true buzz films of the festival” and wrote that “you may want to dispute (Ruppert), but more than that you’ll want to hear him, because what he says — right or wrong, prophecy or paranoia — takes up residence in your mind.” [2]

Daily Variety wrote that Collapse was “unnervingly persuasive much of the time, and merely riveting when it's not, Ruppert's talking-head analysis gets the Errol Morris treatment from director Chris Smith (American Movie), whose intellectual horror film ranks as another essential work.” [3]

The Onion’s AV Club wrote that “in several immensely poignant moments, we can also see an angry, lonely, vulnerable man whose life epitomizes the title as much as the globe does. There are many layers to the man and the movie, and I for one left the theater shaken.” [4]

Roger Ebert wrote, "I don't know when I've seen a thriller more frightening. I couldn't tear my eyes from the screen. "Collapse" is even entertaining, in a macabre sense. I think you owe it to yourself to see it." [5]

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Re: Collapse.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 08:01:32 AM »
Cheerful guy.  I'll make sure to invite him to my parties.  Oh, wait.  The economy collapsed, so I don't have parties.  Damn . . .

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« Reply #2 on: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 04:43:11 PM »
Apparently, he predicted this current economic collapse, but he has a bigger collapse coming up. A collapse that will mean the end of civilization as we know it.

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« Reply #3 on: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 06:22:15 PM »
Brilliant.  The man is brilliant.  Everything he said about reality, and the laws governing reality, is spot-on.  That only makes his expose all the more terrifying.  However--and I'm sure he'd call this "denial"--I think his downfall is in his rigid analysis.  His predictions are based on the assumption that oil is a magical source of energy and materials which cannot be replaced.  He is all too consumed with how much oil is in everything we use, as if it were completely impossible to make goods out of anything else, or with anything else.  It's a matter of scale, and yes, our total dependence on the goopy stuff amounts to an enormous scale.  But don't tell me we can't figure out some other way to produce a liquid that burns in the existing machines that now run on the stuff, let alone create new machines that don't.  Don't tell me I can't put cheetos inside of anything but a hydrocarbon-derivative bag.

As long as that big ball of fire burns overhead at noon, there is no energy crisis.  There may be a crisis caused by reliance on a dwindling source of energy, but there is no shortage of energy.  He is correct about thermodynamics, on both of the counts he mentioned.  The sun is indeed decaying, from the usable to the unusable.  So I guess humanity should set an alarm clock to go off in a few billion years, with perhaps a million or so years to spare before the sun inevitably exhausts itself.

Solar energy doesn't just mean heat to move engines.  It means photosynthesis as well.  And photosynthesis doesn't just apply to greens growing on arable land, but to any plant-based life, natural or engineered.  There is so much to discover, so many paradigms (to use a favorite word of his) yet to shift.  The more we're pressed, the more we'll rise to the challenge.

His view is completely defeatist.  His application of the 5 stages of grief to the current human problems convinces me of that.  He sees the end result as predetermined.  Either humanity goes back to the land, or we all die.  Bullshit.  First of all, most of humanity would die if it all went back to the land.  Old agrarian economies cannot sustain the population, or anywhere near it.  Second, nothing is predetermined.  The best prediction models always go sour given enough time.  There are too many variables, and too much the model maker simply doesn't know, regardless of his brilliance.

I'm very glad I watched this.  I now know who Michael Rupert is, and I respect him.  I wish I had known and respected him 5-6 years ago, but I didn't.  Such is life.  But I do not for a moment believe that industrialized civilization is inevitably doomed.  We were looking to better ourselves when we found oil, and we'll still be doing the same when we seek out the next step in powering our lives.

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Re: Collapse.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 01:26:01 AM »
Like yourself, I don't believe for a second that industrialized civilization is doomed in the near future, but just the fact that what he was saying could be true, makes this documentary so scary.

Yes, I do respect him, but he does come off as just a bit of a loon. His shaking sobs took me by surprise, and the information revealed about him at the very end was a bit shocking.

I like how the director shot this. Not every thing was taken at face value, and it started taking a slightly different turn, when Michael Rupert was questioned as an intellectual opportunist, and didn't have an adequate response.

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Re: Collapse.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 09:10:29 AM »
Yes, he flirts with the edge of madness, and some of his views I don't believe one bit.  But there is so much right with what he says in that movie that I can't simply dismiss him.  He deserves a voice and our attentive critical listening.