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Internet Explorer 8 was released
« on: Monday, March 23, 2009, 09:02:31 AM »
IE8 was released out of beta on the 19th.  I don't think it's being pushed out in automatic updates yet though.

You've got to love Microsoft.  They try to make the web according to their standards with IE until the rug was pulled out from under them with Opera, Firefox, Safari and the W3C itself pushing harder than ever for standards conformity.  What that means for developers is that they have to code webpages in standard spec (X)HTML and also with things thrown in for IE so that the page doesn't look messed up with that browser.

IE7 comes along and improves standards compliance but I guess they had an even longer road to go as IE8 is actually their first to pass the Acid2 test.

So what this means now is that IE8 is pretty close to being a standards compliant browser.  The problem now is that pages coded for IE's quirks actually screws IE8 up now.

Overall, IE8 is a lot like IE7 in terms of interface.  The Alt+F search is now more like Fx's, though it's at the top instead of the bottom.  They've added Accelerators, which is where you can highlight text and a button will appear.  If you click it you have options based on which Accelerators you have installed.  There are things like search via [search engine of your selection], map via [mapping engine of your selection], translate with [translation engine], send via e-mail with [your e-mail host of choice].

They also added something called Web Slices, which I don't like because it's something that harks back to the old IE days of Microsoft trying to define things that only work in IE (or browsers that choose to implement such non-(X)HTML standards).  My best guess is that it is kind of like RSS feeds.  I'm not sure exactly what they are supposed to be for.

There is now something called InPrivate, which is supposed to afford some increased level of privacy from other users of the same PC.  It allows you to start a "private" browsing session and you can control what happens during and at the end of this session.  It can be set to delete cookies, temp files, and history when the session ends and block items that track your browsing history.  As a parent and IT administrator I don't like this idea, but I'm sure it can be disabled.  For people surfing porn on their parents' PCs, I'm sure they'll like it.

Overall I think IE8 is a step in the right direction for Microsoft.  IE becoming more standards compliant makes it easier on everyone, and they've added a few nice features (my favorite being the Fx-like search).  Even though they've added some features that Fx and other browsers do not have, it still seems like they are playing catchup in the browser game.  The only new feature that I miss when I go back to Fx3 is the Accelerators, and that's probably available in some add-on that I just haven't come across yet.

In other news:  holy shit!  Hard drives are cheap!  I found a 640 GB, 7200 rpm, SATAII Seagate hdd with 32 MB cache for only $65.00 on Newegg.  My virutal server is starting to kill me with it's 120 GB capacity and I'm constantly having to delete virtual machines I really don't want to.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #1 on: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:50:42 PM »
I kind of like the Accelerators idea.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #2 on: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:52:04 PM »
I had been playing around with the beta and RC of IE8 over the last couple of months. I agree it is a step in the right direction and good leap away from IE7.

I like the accelerators but that's mainly because I've been using plugins in Firefox that do that, primarily the "highlighted word -> dictionary tooltip." What I don't like is that the name "Accelerators" is misleading. They should be called quick links or easy clicks or something.. My first impression of "accelerators" was web pages or components that are preloaded to accelerate their loading/opening. I'm glad the "accelerators" are in the context menu as well rather than just with that annoying icon. The icon just bugs me the way it pops in.

The InPrivate feature is just a "catch-up" with Chrome's Incognito mode and Opera's private browsing. Firefox currently has the option as a plugin and I believe it will be featured in the next version release.

I think the WebSlices is suppsoed to be like Opera's Speed Dial feature except in the favourites bar.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 04:20:23 AM »
Ah.  See I've never used Opera, Safari, or Chrome so I didn't know they already had those features.

Does Opera's Speed Dial feature require the web coder to specially code just for it?  Because that's how Web Slices are.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 08:39:02 AM »
Ah.  See I've never used Opera, Safari, or Chrome so I didn't know they already had those features.

Does Opera's Speed Dial feature require the web coder to specially code just for it?  Because that's how Web Slices are.
No it doesn't, it's basically a 'bookmarks made quicker' feature in Opera, it' pretty straighforward.

After reading a bit more about it I think the WebSlices are more like mini RSS feeds. So far I've only noticed them as an option on Microsoft pages i.e. MSN/Live.

I hate Chrome.. I can't pinpoint exactly what it is about it that turns me off immediately but I know it's more than one thing. The interface is bleh, the way it handles bookmarks, just ungh..

I tried out Peacekeeper, Futuremark's new browser benchmark tool. According to it Safari is still getting the highest score for speed yet Firefox is the most popular browser.

I'm sure I've mentioned this before but if I weren't using Firefox I'd be using Opera. I tried it out a while back (early v9) and I liked it a lot, just not enough to give up Firefox.

Btw, has anyone tried Flock? It's basically Firefox (which it's built on) for social network addicts.

Man, going on this browser hunt totally reminded me of NeoPlanet. Apparently it still exists, just really outdated. It was the first (at least my first) skinnable browser and it ran on the IE engine. Good memories with funky looking browsing. It was basically IE with a crapload of features and a sidebar, long before the sidebar was adopted by IE.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 03:58:26 PM »
I don't see any compelling reason to switch back to IE and I doubt I ever will.  I haven't had trouble loading a web page in Firefox in a LONG time.
Suck it, Pugnate.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 06:40:05 PM »
I don't see any compelling reason to switch back to IE and I doubt I ever will.  I haven't had trouble loading a web page in Firefox in a LONG time.
Yeah, Firefox seems to have established itself as the most adaptable browser. Its next venue will have to be on portables, so far Opera is dominating the portable field.

The only reason I care about IE is that it's a core part of Windows. I don't see why it has to be. I think Scott mentioned in another thread a while back that Windows 7 may have a "no-frills" edition, without a browser or image viewer or something. I wouldn't mind it since I can always install the pieces I desire. That's one of the many things I love about Linux-based OS's.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 07:56:41 AM »
The best thing about Fx's popularity is that it's platform-agnostic.  Other than mobiles, it works on Windows, Mac, and Linux.  The more Firefox (and to a lesser extent Opera) becomes pervasive in all the environments, the less pressure put on web coders and it will make a better Internet overall because it strives to be standards-compliant.

The problem with IE's popularity is/was that it kind of did it's own thing in regards to (X)HTML/CSS/Javascript and that it only is available for Windows.  So when 95% of Internet users were using IE, it was a pain to make web pages look and work the same on all browsers.  I imagine most just ignored the browsers splitting the 5% share, but ignoring the non-IE segment became impossible as IE's share shrank and the others grew.

Windows 7 still has Internet Explorer (IE8, by default).  At least the betas have it in there.  The typical home computer user wouldn't have the first clue how to put their own browser on a PC if it didn't come with one in the first place.  Windows 7 is coming without things like Windows Movie Maker and the Microsoft Photo Album... things that barely anyone used that just add the maligned bloat and are being replaced by Windows Live components that you can pick and choose from.

Regarding IE8, I've found two sites so far where the layout or functionality is broken.  I'm guessing this has to do with the web coders writing for IE quirks but IE8 not having those quirks.  One site is for one of Jennie's online classes.  She cannot launch something that she needs when she clicks on the button.  Luckily it works in Fx3 (which is interesting because the site lists support for only IE5.5+).  The other site is http://www.fordvehicles.com/.  I was looking at the new '10 Fusion and the "Rapid Spec" sections are all out-of-whack.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 08:17:16 AM »
I remember quite a few websites that only supported IE at one point. The one that sticks out in my mind is Activision.

I thought IE8 had a backwards compatibility going on, like if a page is built for earlier versions of IE it shows a little 'broken page' icon in the address bar that you can click on to activate compatibility for that page. I haven't used it but according to the features list on the IE8 download page it's supposed to be one of the major attractions.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 08:48:39 AM »
Yeah, but I've only seen that show up for Overwritten.net (which looks the same either way).

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #10 on: Monday, March 30, 2009, 08:16:25 AM »
Has anyone ever used the Maxthon browser?

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #11 on: Monday, March 30, 2009, 10:56:21 AM »
Never heard about it.  After reading about it some, I found out that it's Chinese, and it is essentially the former MyIE2 browser, using the same rendering engine as IE.

I'm not interested in it.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #12 on: Monday, March 30, 2009, 12:26:07 PM »
Never heard about it.  After reading about it some, I found out that it's Chinese, and it is essentially the former MyIE2 browser, using the same rendering engine as IE.

I'm not interested in it.
I only heard about it when I cam across a custom icon for it. If Firefox and some others weren't around it probably would have been a viable option.

A part of me still feels kinda sad that Netscape is dead. It was the first web browser I used back in 1995 or so.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #13 on: Monday, March 30, 2009, 05:56:09 PM »
I'm not sad.  Netscape became a huge, bloated pile of garbage.  I didn't want that huge Communicator suite!  I just wanted the browser.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #14 on: Monday, March 30, 2009, 06:39:53 PM »
I'm not sad.  Netscape became a huge, bloated pile of garbage.  I didn't want that huge Communicator suite!  I just wanted the browser.
Yeah that was a crappy time. Later it became the Mozilla browser, which was basically Firefox's big bro, until AOL officially cut Netscape off; Mozilla also saw the redundancy of having both browsers and just focused on Firefox and Thunderbird.

Firefox is still my favourite browser so far.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #15 on: Monday, March 30, 2009, 09:28:24 PM »
Yeah, mine too.  IE8 is close though.  They make us use IE at work because we are a Microsoft partner.  I didn't hate IE7, but I missed at least a few of Fx's features:  Google Suggest built into the browser search, a nice in-page find feature, and inline spell-checking in text boxes.  IE8 has the first two now.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #16 on: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 05:54:03 AM »
Man, Firefox has been crashing a lot lately! Roughly every 5th or 6th link I click on causes it to crash. Luckily it has the "Restore Last Session" option but it doesn't help every time.

I'm using IE8 for now but I'm gonna test out Safari just to see what all the hype is about.

On the multibrowser note, I am using Xmarks (formerl Foxmarks) to get beyond the bookmarks issue. So far it's the best bookmark back up plugin I've found. It works on Firefox, IE, and Safari so far.

I highly recommend it if you've ever had any bookmark woes.

EDIT:
Safari not as fast as implied by benchmarks or comments. Significantly slower than Firefox, though that may be due to my Firefox settings being tweaked for performance. Also quite buggy with some pages and bookmarks are only available through bookmark bar (which I hate) just like Chrome. Safari has been redesigned to have its UI resemble Chrome rather than Firefox (no more title bar, tabs across the top in its place). All things considered I'd still take Safari over Chrome. I love Google software but Chrome just infuriates me with its substandard UI.
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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #17 on: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 03:22:08 PM »
Yea dude, Firefox has been a real bitch lately...

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #18 on: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 03:59:08 PM »
Yea dude, Firefox has been a real bitch lately...
I think it's a bug in v3.0.8. On the Mozilla support forums it seems a lot of people are complaining about seemingly random crashes.

Some dudes go about like smartasses and say "are people installing it over their old installations? Well no wonder they're having problems!" To which the most common response was along the lines of "No you jackass, Firefox updated itself automatically like it's supposed to."

The Fox is my favourite browser but the random crashes are becoming unbearable. They need to fix these issues asap, otherwise I'm just gonna switch to Opera.

IE8 still feels kinda clunky and quite often when I type a URL in the address bar it just ignores me and continues loading the home page or, if it was already open, goes on to load the default "What do you want to do next?" page. It's kind of a stubborn bitch.

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I am currently testing out the Opera 10 alpha. So far so good. I know it's gonna be full of bugs but I like the direction it's taking. It's a no-nonsense browser! Too bad I can't hide the menu bar though :P
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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #19 on: Monday, April 13, 2009, 02:16:46 PM »
I don't ever allow anything to autoupdate.  Thanks for the heads up on Firefox.  I'll leave it at 3.0.3 until I hear better news.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #20 on: Monday, April 13, 2009, 02:46:29 PM »
I don't ever allow anything to autoupdate.  Thanks for the heads up on Firefox.  I'll leave it at 3.0.3 until I hear better news.
I think I'm going to adopt that habit too. Generally, I like to be notified of update availability and install it whenever I want.

I thought the Firefox updater would be a convenience, and it has been until this recent issue. Firefox is fine up till 3.0.7, it's 3.0.8 that's fudged up.

I've read some pretty good feedback on Firefox 3.1 (the next major update) around the testing forums. Shouldn't be too long now.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #21 on: Monday, April 27, 2009, 07:26:14 PM »
Update: installed Firefox 3.0.10 yesterday and it looks like the random crash bug is gone. Over the last 6 hours of use it hasn't crashed once.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #22 on: Monday, April 27, 2009, 07:45:15 PM »
I still never had the "crash bug" that was supposedly introduced in 3.0.8.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 was released
« Reply #23 on: Monday, April 27, 2009, 09:53:47 PM »
I still never had the "crash bug" that was supposedly introduced in 3.0.8.
Yeah it was one of those crash bugs that didn't make much sense. Some people didn't experience it at all, like yourself, and others experienced it way too often. Out of 4 PC's (2 XP and 2 Vista) I've seen it happen on 1 of the XP systems and 1 of the Vista systems. It was random but frequent on those systems. But now it seems the peace has been restored.