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Offline sirean_syan

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Pine Mouth
« on: Saturday, August 17, 2013, 04:32:48 PM »
Funny name, I know. But I'm pretty sure this a real thing after the past two days.

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Pine nuts can cause taste disturbances, lasting from a few days to a few weeks after consumption. A bitter, metallic taste is described. Though unpleasant, there are no known lasting effects, with the FDA reporting that there are "no apparent adverse clinical side effects.".[11] This phenomenon was first described in a scientific paper in 2001.[12] Publications have made reference to this phenomenon as "pine nut syndrome" or as "pine mouth".[13] The Nestlé Research Centre has hypothesized that nuts from a particular species of pine occurring mostly in China, Pinus armandii, is the cause of the problem. The suspect species of pine nuts are smaller, duller, and more rounded than typical pine nuts.[14] A 2011 study found results consistent with this hypothesis and also suggested that chemicals used in the shelling process might be responsible.[15] Metallic taste disturbance, known as metallogeusia, is typically reported 1–3 days after ingestion, being worse on day 2 and lasting typically up to 2 weeks. Cases are self-limited and resolve without treatment.[16] Möller[17] has postulated a hypothesis that could explain why the bitter taste appears several days after ingestion and lasts for as long. A well known physiological process known as enterohepatic recirculation (EHR) could play a key role in the development of PNS.

The FDA is currently investigating "pine mouth".[18]

We got a boatload of good fresh basil over the past couple of weeks. Naturally, the thing to do is make curries or pesto. We went with pesto and bought some pine nuts from a warehouse store to save money. Now it tastes like I'm sprinkling on rust shavings onto all my food. Looks like Chinese quality strikes again. That's sort of a joke, but it sort of isn't.

In any case, I guess the solution is time and switching to an almond pesto recipe. Also, given the nature of syndrome I now think Pine Mouth would make an awesome name for a metal band.

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Re: Pine Mouth
« Reply #1 on: Saturday, August 17, 2013, 07:15:09 PM »
Yeah, we use almonds in our pesto recipes mainly because pine nuts are bloody expensive. I've never experienced pine mouth, yet anyway.
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Re: Pine Mouth
« Reply #2 on: Monday, August 19, 2013, 04:17:32 PM »
I've been eating pine nuts for years and never experienced that, which I guess supports the idea that it's only a certain kind. Weird, though. And yeah, those things are so expensive... almonds are probably the better bet just to save some cash.

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Re: Pine Mouth
« Reply #3 on: Monday, August 19, 2013, 06:04:23 PM »
Yeah. I've been eating pine nuts for years too and never experienced it. We made a whole bunch of pesto last year when basil was in season then as well. Apparently this is a pretty recent thing from what I've read and really only became common enough that people started putting things together in the last couple of years. One theory I've read is that a pine nut shortage in 2009 lead to a heavy dependence on alternative sources in China (trees that they don't normally use) to fill demand. Ever since distributors have continued using these sources. I don't know how true that is though. Also, not everyone is affected equally. Aimee didn't get affected and she ate way more than I did since we was snacking on it constantly the next day.

Today we tried the first almond pesto and it was pretty good. I'm not sure if I could actually say I notice the substitution which is, I suppose, a good thing. It also doesn't hurt that this batch of basil is pretty strong and almost a little spicy would could make up for some of the piny taste.

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Re: Pine Mouth
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday, August 20, 2013, 02:34:13 AM »
I would bet that the pine nut shortage has a lot to do with the MASSIVE amounts of pine trees that have died / continue to die from the pine beetle. Upwards of 80% of all the pine trees in British Columbia are dead or will die soon from the pine beetle, it's an ecological nightmare.
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Re: Pine Mouth
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday, August 20, 2013, 05:23:35 AM »
Not sure how pine nuts compare to pine seeds, or if they are in fact the same thing.

Pine seeds are a staple in Middle Eastern, particularly Mediterranean, cuisine. They're in a lot of dishes and even drinks, so we eat them practically every day but I've never even heard of "pine mouth." Pine seeds are pretty good though :) I like them especially when roasted.

Anyone ever go into a bar and ask for a "pine float?"