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RROD REDUX
« on: Monday, November 02, 2009, 08:35:00 AM »
Paid $30 to repair the damn thing and here we go again.

Thanks MS.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #1 on: Monday, November 02, 2009, 08:43:15 AM »
Mine is freezing after 10 minutes in demanding content.  I'm not sure what I'm going to do with this particular unit, except I don't want to go through the repair process again (even if I can force the inevitable RRoD).  I want to start fresh with a Jasper (and reset the 3-year warranty period in the process) when I can afford it.  Until then, I'm pretty much shut out of the big new games.  I'm not happy with MS either.  So let's hear a big FUCK YOU to Microsoft.  A one, a two . . .

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #2 on: Monday, November 02, 2009, 10:28:01 AM »
It is just so frustrating. I mean wtf?

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #3 on: Monday, November 02, 2009, 10:37:24 AM »
Oh, painfully.  There's nothing else I could have possibly done to protect this thing from self-destructing.  Here's another interesting factoid:  I've never had another console fail on me, ever.  That goes back to a dedicated pong console from Magnavox in the early 70s.  That should lend some weight to how well I treat the things.  My posts here and in the other forums we've been a part of attest to how much I use them too.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #4 on: Monday, November 02, 2009, 12:47:14 PM »
That sucks. 

My Xbox360 is acting up as well, though it's not RROD.  It's been having a slew of different problems right now -- the power LED blinks incessantly -- that's only supposed to happen when I open the drive.  Basically, my Xbox believes my drive is trying to open or close or something, as on the screen for the drive it says 'opening' even though I have not done so.

In addition, I've got the E68 error a couple of times the last two months.  That error is a hard drive problem error.  I've reseated the hard drive and it seems to have solved the problem... for now.

My Xbox used to freeze quite frequently about a year ago, when I played it more frequently, but because I refrain from using my Xbox at all now, it doesn't seem to have too much of an issue anymore.

What a piece of shit.  I haven't purchased anything for the X360 lately because I'm worried my console will fail.  Thankfully, I have a PS3 and use that for my gaming purposes nowadays, and with most games being cross platform, I no longer have to worry about missing exclusives too often anymore.  The only one X360 exclusive I am likely to miss is Mass Effect 2 -- I _might_ just have to buy it for the 360, but I am undecided still.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #5 on: Monday, November 02, 2009, 05:35:03 PM »
iPPi, what date was your 360 made in?

Mine is early 2008, and should not be acting like this. 2008 was pretty far along the manufacturing process and they should have figured this crap out by then.

Here is my worry. I am at financial cross roads at the moment, so if I buy another 360, what is stopping it from crapping out again in a few years?

Here is another question. Jasper has only been out what, a year? How is MS commenting on fixing the RROD issue when Jasper has hardly had time to breathe?

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #6 on: Monday, November 02, 2009, 06:54:19 PM »
I bought my 360 the day the PS3 came out -- Nov 11, 2006, so I assume sometime 2006.  The first one was dead out of the box, and I got it exchanged at the retailer for another one and have been using this one ever since.  It looks like I'm nearing the end of the 3 year warranty for the RROD. 

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #7 on: Monday, November 02, 2009, 07:52:07 PM »
Really sucks for you guys.  Mine still hasn't failed on me, but I basically just don't use it anymore at all.  Julia does occasionally, but only if there's something we don't have for PS3 or whatever.  I think the last game she beat on it was Lost Odyssey.

I've given up on 360 entirely at this point.  I don't know that I'll be very eager to buy whatever Microsoft's next console is, either.  I wasn't planning to get a 360 but basically did it for Dead Rising.  I got my use out of it, but I do more or less regret the decision now, even though mine hasn't broken.  The fact that its all but guaranteed to do so and is now out of warranty is reason enough to abandon it.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday, November 03, 2009, 06:19:45 AM »
If I weren't so invested in it (to the tune of over 20 disc games and close to that many XBLA) I would follow you to Sony land myself, in better economic times anyway. I do want a slim someday regardless.

I checked Amazon for the arcade SKU ($200).  The details listed (ASIN: B0029MAXS6, April 3, 2009 release date, 256MB internal storage) indicate Jaspers.  This would be the way I'd buy another if I could afford it right now.  Pug, I don't know for sure if they solve the hardware-failure issues or not.  But they are the best hope yet.

In fact, if you type "xbox 360 jasper" into the Amazon search field, you will get several variations (like "console" and "chipset") in a drop-down list before you press 'Enter'.  Plenty of interest, I guess.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #9 on: Friday, April 06, 2012, 07:39:45 AM »
Well, my 360 RROD'd today for the second time.  $99 to get it repaired or $299 for a new one...

I would probably let it go, but my stepson uses it constantly and in fact just got a couple more games last week.

What's up with this 4GB Xbox 360 I am seeing?  I have the original 20 GB and that is too small.  4GB?!  But I've also seen people saying just get the 4GB and put your own hdd in it.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #10 on: Friday, April 06, 2012, 09:45:21 AM »
My 2008 one froze up a few months ago, no RROD but unusable. I just put it in a box and forgot about it since I mostly only used it for Netflix anyways. I think I might just buy a new one after the next price drop, however long that takes.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #11 on: Friday, April 06, 2012, 09:58:44 AM »
I wouldn't invest any more money into an original model.  Slim is the way to go.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #12 on: Friday, April 06, 2012, 01:02:17 PM »
The 4GB is internal flash memory.  You can stick your current 20GB drive in it if you're willing to perform a bit of surgery.  The new slim model has a standard SATA HDD connector, so all you need to do is break your HDD out of its enclosure, and plug it in.  Unless you want to go for a new 250GB, or even 320GB, of course.

The slims are much more reliable.  I lost 2 fat boxes myself.  Fixed the 1st under warranty, then said screw it when the crappy refurb they sent me back bit the dust a year later.  I bought a Jasper-chipset arcade unit which so far is holding up fine.  The old fried box is stored away.  At least the power supply should make a decent backup.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #13 on: Friday, April 06, 2012, 01:57:42 PM »
I'm still on the same Xbox.  The primary issue I have now is that it gets an E68 error when I power it on.  It appears the hard drive isn't starting up or something like that.  I have to power cycle it several times before it works.

The problem seems to happen only if I don't use my Xbox for extended periods of time (3-4 weeks).  If I use it regularly there are no issues. 

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #14 on: Friday, April 06, 2012, 06:09:18 PM »
The 4GB is internal flash memory.  You can stick your current 20GB drive in it if you're willing to perform a bit of surgery.  The new slim model has a standard SATA HDD connector, so all you need to do is break your HDD out of its enclosure, and plug it in.  Unless you want to go for a new 250GB, or even 320GB, of course.
Wait, so I can just put whatever SATA hdd in there?

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #15 on: Friday, April 06, 2012, 08:31:52 PM »
My box died finally. I doubt I'll ever replace it. There isn't enough I care about in MS-land to make it at all worth it. I will miss a few things, though, most especially Deadly Premonition.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #16 on: Friday, April 06, 2012, 09:08:57 PM »
Wait, so I can just put whatever SATA hdd in there?

No!  There are some strict specs that must be followed.  At one time it was a certain line of WD drives, but I think the latest ones are Hitachis.  Then you need set them up with some specific firmware.  That stuff is out there if you're inclined to take a stab at it.  I do know that it's possible to get some 7200-rpm drives to work in the Xbox, which is a definite step up from the official 5400-rpm drives.

BTW, this was possible on the old Xbox's too.  Now it's easier because the enclosure is no longer needed.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #17 on: Saturday, April 07, 2012, 05:04:02 AM »
I think I will just get the 250GB box then. There isnt much money to be saved with hard drive prices so high and it sounds like a pain in the ass.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #18 on: Saturday, April 07, 2012, 05:59:28 AM »
If you want the storage space, yeah, just do that.  But if you're trashing your dead console, and 20 GB will do (14, really), maybe see if you can yank the old HDD out of its enclosure.  Shouldn't be too tough.  That one should work immediately in the new slim.  

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #19 on: Saturday, April 07, 2012, 09:09:25 AM »
So if I buy a new console at some point, is there a simple way to take the savegames from the the hard drive attached to the dead xbox or are they gone forever?

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #20 on: Saturday, April 07, 2012, 12:37:33 PM »
So if I buy a new console at some point, is there a simple way to take the savegames from the the hard drive attached to the dead xbox or are they gone forever?

There's a transfer cable that you can buy, its very easy.  I did it when I transfered my stuff from my older HD to my slim unit's HD.  The only downside is the cable cost $20.  You may be able to find it cheaper used if you look around though.

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« Reply #21 on: Saturday, April 07, 2012, 01:54:13 PM »
Awesome, thanks. I'm moving soon and don't want to lug around a dead xbox so I'll just keep the hard drive, cables and controllers and get rid of the main body.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 06:47:25 AM »
Alright, I bought the 250 GB Xbox 360 Slim.  I wish we wouldn't have bought COD:MW3 a few weeks back because the COD:MW3 version of the console comes with the game and a 320 GB hdd for another $100.  Oh well, it is what it is.

I also bought one of those transforming d-pad controllers.  I would say the new d-pad is a very slight improvement over the standard controller's d-pad and pretty neat engineering, but overall it still inherits the flaw of having the d-pad stand so far away from the actual buttons being pressed on the PCB.  It feels just as mushy as the other one and in fact you can now actually see how the thing is sort of a tall joystick rather than a traditional/conventional d-pad.  Before there was a ring of plastic hiding the tube the d-pad lives in and the d-pad's overall movement, but the new mechanism needs the space formerly occupied by that ring so you can see right down.

My sister-in-law wants my old console and wanted to pay the $99 to have it repaired.  I didn't mind and gave it to her, but she and her fiance didn't have the slightest clue how to get it repaired so I obliged.  Microsoft was not my friend last night because the execution of the repair process was not a fun one.  Aside from the fact that my 360 RROD'd twice, which is bad enough, when I went to create the repair ticket online the website was broken.  It just kept saying "A System Error occurred" when I tried to request a repair.  So I got on a Xbox support online chat.  Well, they can't do a repair request through chat support.  The tech asked me to file one on the website, which of course I couldn't because the site was broken.  Then he asked me to call support, but to file a repair request via phone support it is $119 for the repair instead of $99.  He said I could probably get the $20 discount if I called and had the case escalated because of the website problem, but wasn't sure.  The chat tech said that there was an open case already filed regarding the website problem and he added another report to it and to check back in an hour if I wanted to try to file online instead of call.

In any case, I thought it was crazy the amount of work I had to do at this point in order to get a repair order in for something that shouldn't have even broke in the first place, much less twice!  But that's not all.  Oh no. 

I was bored and had previously discovered that someone used my Xbox Live profile to play Dance Central and some other really lame/embarrassing games.  So I started doing research on how I could delete such games from my profile (answer: unless you don't have any achievements for those games, you can't).  It was at this time that I found out that forums.xbox.com was down.  It was getting an application error like there was something wrong with IIS or the database.  Nice.

So about an hour later I go to file the repair request online again.  I find that it does let me in to begin filing the request.  However, after completing the request (and using my sister-in-laws debit card to pay), it gives me another error saying something about the service request doesn't match the postal code.  I worry that due to problems on their end, a request isn't properly created yet $106 just got charged to my sister-in-law's debit card.  Thankfully, I do receive an e-mail regarding the service request with a service request number and my 360's serial number.

I was supposed to be redirected to a shipping label I could print at the end of the repair request, but since I received an error that never happened.  Luckily the email had information on how to get to the shipping label.  I just had to go to the repair status page and enter my service request number and ZIP code.  I do that and get the same error as before that the service request doesn't match the postal code.  I recall that I had changed my address from my former Cincinnati address to my Florida address when I first tried to do the repair request and think that possibly it is attached to my old address somehow due to the system issues they are clearly having.  So I try my old ZIP code with the service request number.  No dice!  Same error.

So I get back on the chat and this time there are like 18 people ahead of me and I wait about 25 minutes to get someone.  This person confirms that the request is attached to my correct Florida address and doesn't know why it is giving me that error but sends the shipping label image directly to my e-mail, which I successfully receive and print.

WTF Microsoft!  Get your shit together!  It is bad enough that such shoddy hardware design results in peoples 360s dying left and right and then requiring people to bear the cost of repair.  I don't care that they extended the warranty and that my console was way out of that extended warranty.  If the 360 was designed correctly in the first place, it wouldn't have to have been repaired at all unless I mistreated it.  But that on top of the fact that I have to have the experience I did in order to even get the repair request filed?  Absolutely ludicrous.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 07:43:43 AM »
Jeez. That sounds like a small bit of a nightmare.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 08:02:00 AM »
Sometimes I actually feel good that I never bought a 360.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 09:58:03 AM »
Damn man! I thought having a console was supposed to make life easier and hassle-free!

I've had my fair share of Xbox LIVE troubles and I don't even have an Xbox. In fact it's the reason I've had to abandon my Hotmail account since it was tied inextricably to a defunct gamertag. Microsoft won't release it for me and since I don't have an Xbox I can't change the associated LIVE ID. It's retarded that the services are available for PC and Windows Phone but I need an Xbox to do anything with my account.

Anyway, I can't compare to your level of torture with Microsoft but I do empathize with you, bro.

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Re: RROD REDUX
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 05:18:13 PM »
Wow.  I'm glad I never had anywhere near that much trouble sending my first one in for warranty service.  Jeez, what a pain.

You know, it's a bad deal to pay $100 to fix a Xenon or Zephyr (90nm fab process) system.  Even a Falcon (65nm CPU, 90nm GPU) is questionable because the biggest issue is the Radeon GPU.  I'd never touch one of them used (or any other way now, since the current designs are so much more reliable).

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« Reply #27 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 06:15:57 PM »
The original repair process was a dream.  It was free and they send a box to ship the console in.  Not so in either case this time.  At least the shipping cost is part of the cost of repair.

That is a good point regarding the Radeon GPU.  If I recall, the 360 GPU is akin to the cards that came out after the very successful 9700-9800 series, and ATi was known for running their GPUs way too hot at the time.  I had overheating problems with both my 9800 XT and X800XT.