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Offline ScaryTooth

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Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« on: Wednesday, January 03, 2007, 06:49:48 PM »
Noooess.

Wonder what studio he got a job with.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday, January 03, 2007, 06:54:28 PM »
Maybe Valve or EA. :P

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday, January 03, 2007, 07:00:19 PM »
He mentioned on some of his articles that actually making games seemed like something higher than writting about them, so it's cool that he got the offer. It'll be interesting to see what he does. He's secretly entered a game design contest a year or two ago at Gamespot and ended up winning (maybe twice), so he has some cool ideas, apparently.

That said.... shit. He was like 75% of Gamespot's goodness and like 90% of reason I read the site. I hope they can keep things together without him because lord knows most of the staff isn't nearly as interesting as him with a couple exceptions. In terms of reviews, no one else was even in his league, Gamespot or anywhere else. It was like he was so good at reviewing that anything he achieves as a game developer has a good chance of paling in comparision no matter how good it is.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday, January 03, 2007, 07:11:47 PM »
I agree.  To me, Kasavin's words are like fact.  What he says is extremely valid, balanced, and just... correct.  Everyone else at Gamespot or otherwise I disagree with on some things or feel like they overemphasize somethings or unfairly judge things in a certain light.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday, January 03, 2007, 07:20:14 PM »
Yeah, same here.  He and I always saw things similarly, and I'll miss not just his opinions on games but his opinions on the industry, not to mention the professionalism and seriousness he always put into everything.  I'll still take GSpot over any other site at this point, but it's hugely disappointing to know that he'll be going.  That said, I can't wait to see what he'll be doing and I sincerely hope he's able to do what it is he really wants to.  God knows few of us ever get that chance.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday, January 03, 2007, 07:46:06 PM »
That's shocking, but I'm glad he's making a move.  It's nice to know someone who critiques games is willing to take a shot at designing them; so many critics are unwilling to do that.  I, too, can't wait to see what he works on.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday, January 03, 2007, 08:08:33 PM »
This really sucks for me, I loved Greg and his views.

Congrats to him though.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday, January 03, 2007, 08:57:44 PM »
Sucks to see him go, but it will be interesting to see what he can do in the industry.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday, January 03, 2007, 08:58:31 PM »
That's shocking, but I'm glad he's making a move.  It's nice to know someone who critiques games is willing to take a shot at designing them; so many critics are unwilling to do that.  I, too, can't wait to see what he works on.

I hope he went to Bethesda to work on the next Elder Scrolls expansion. ;)

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday, January 03, 2007, 09:44:36 PM »
Or Fallout 3?

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday, January 03, 2007, 10:52:01 PM »
There isn't an emoticon worthy of this news.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday, January 03, 2007, 11:20:09 PM »
I literary gasped when I saw this thread. Damn that sucks, that sucks super hard. Like what you guys said, nobody touched him on how well he articulated details in games, he was just so spot on. I mean I considered him like a celebrity. I will miss his wisdom on gaming dearly. I can only hope he goes far in creating games.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #12 on: Thursday, January 04, 2007, 12:44:06 AM »
I can already imagine him being the next Will Wright or Sid Meier heh.

It is hard to describe how good Kasavin was. He was easily head and shoulders above all other journalists in this field.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #13 on: Thursday, January 04, 2007, 08:15:48 AM »
Greg was basically the Roger Ebert of Video Criticism to me. Highly atrticulate and learned in the subject, but also had the humility to recommend games of a lesser quality if their was something things special about it. But they both always list the problems it does have for your own sake as a consumer. You don't get critical views like that in many things.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #14 on: Thursday, January 04, 2007, 08:42:18 AM »
hmmm... I guess they were similar in terms of popularity. But the writing styles were as different as chalk and cheese.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #15 on: Thursday, January 04, 2007, 07:24:24 PM »
Greg was basically the Roger Ebert of Video Criticism to me. Highly atrticulate and learned in the subject, but also had the humility to recommend games of a lesser quality if their was something things special about it. But they both always list the problems it does have for your own sake as a consumer. You don't get critical views like that in many things.

Bah, Ebert is senile.  He's done a service to true film fans out there, but he likes far too many for me to trust him.  He's getting soft in his old age.  You know what put him over the top for me?  His endorsement of Garfield:  The Movie.  Yikes.

Sorry, tangent. 

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #16 on: Friday, January 05, 2007, 01:31:06 AM »
Intersting. Never was a huge fan of him like the rest of you. Best of luck to him.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #17 on: Friday, January 05, 2007, 10:02:37 AM »
I was a fan of Siskel and Ebert, not Ebert alone.  They were perfect foils for each other, and that kept things real.  Siskel's passing was the shock, for me.  Ebert and Whoever has never drawn my attention.

I respect Kasavin, but I'm not a big fan.  Still, he helped make Gamespot the most trustworthy game-review site, and now I wonder how much of that cred it's going to keep.  Bah.  Everything goes to shit.  Entropy is the way of the universe.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday, January 09, 2007, 02:51:46 AM »
Here's a cool little interview with Kasavin. He talks about a little of everything. Its 17 minutes, but its pretty neat.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday, January 09, 2007, 08:00:16 AM »
Heh, that was pretty cool.  Just makes me more sad that he's leaving, but... eh.  Hopefully they get someone to replace him that isn't a dick.  It just better not be Gerstmann or Ocampo.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday, January 09, 2007, 09:55:16 PM »
Ocampo is far too stiff to fill Kasavin's shoes. The poor guy lives off fake excited canned speeches, but he reads them like Ben Stein. You have to wonder why they always have reviewing the new FPS when those are the kinds of games you just sorta have to let go.

Gerstmann can be cool, but I can't see him as a leader. He makes a damned fine side man though... problem is I can't see them picking anyone else unless they go too far out into left field.

Alex Navarro seems like he could be really cool, but he doesn't have seniority and he generally seems to be working too far in the back. That could be a good thing though.

Anywho, Kasavin says he's going to be working on an RTS with a big time RTS company. As far as I'm concerned, there are only two real RTS bigwigs these days now that Westwood seems to be nearly consumed by EA (plus, they're still finishing C&C3, so they won't be starting something new very soon). So, I'm saying there's a good chance he'll be at Blizzard doing Starcraft II (or I guess Warcraft IV since there's tons of money in that) or Relic doing whatever their next project is. Coming down to those two, I'd say Blizzard because Relic's in Vancouver and he'll probably stay in California.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday, January 09, 2007, 10:07:53 PM »
That's exactly what I was thinking.  But that seems like a pretty big leap.  Still... could be pretty damned cool.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday, January 09, 2007, 11:42:28 PM »
Some of the comments were guessing him to be going to Ensemble to work on the new Halo RTS, but theres no telling.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday, January 09, 2007, 11:44:40 PM »
That would fucking suck.  I'd be like... "Greg, I think you're great, but I hope you fail.  Miserably."

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday, January 10, 2007, 12:05:53 AM »
Eh, lighten up. Halo as an RTS has a lot of potiental. I totally forgot about Ensemble... mostly because I was never much a fan of the Age of series. They were great, just not what I wanted in an RTS.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday, January 10, 2007, 12:57:09 AM »
I enjoyed their games, I just forever hate anything associated with Halo.  Not even because I hate Halo's universe that much... I just fucking hate the franchise and everything it represents (which coincides with a lot of feelings going around here about the Hellgate thing and the way gaming seems to be going).  Not even because it's done that much wrong or whatever, but because it's a franchise that gets way more credit than it deserves, is adored by new-school fanboys everywhere (the people who are throwing money at big companies while they get fucked for it), and for all the shit MS tries to pull with it by forcing people who want to play it to upgrade to the new operating system the ages-old game only requires because they make up the requirement.  So yeah... fuck Halo.  I know you like it and all, but I'm just getting really tired of this crap and the icons from which it seems to spread.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday, January 10, 2007, 09:06:34 PM »
I enjoyed their games, I just forever hate anything associated with Halo.  Not even because I hate Halo's universe that much... I just fucking hate the franchise and everything it represents (which coincides with a lot of feelings going around here about the Hellgate thing and the way gaming seems to be going).
It's as if companies are trying to say,"We have a franchise game and we know we have you by the balls and we will milk you for all your $$ and you will do what we say b/c it is that franchise you love."

Screw that!

I am not one who is giving into the Battlefields w/ their in-game ads and bug-ridden state upon release. Same goes w/ M$ forcing Vista ONLY games on us when it ain't even out. Same goes w/ Halo 1 being buggy upon PC release -- and the early rumors of Halo 2 possibly doing the same thing. Treat a gamer, their wallet, and their machine w/ some respect, please.

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Not even because it's done that much wrong or whatever, but because it's a franchise that gets way more credit than it deserves, is adored by new-school fanboys everywhere (the people who are throwing money at big companies while they get fucked for it), and for all the shit MS tries to pull with it by forcing people who want to play it to upgrade to the new operating system the ages-old game only requires because they make up the requirement.
Agreed 100% -- especially w/ what I bolded.

Halo 2 PC is not a good reason for me to upgrade to Vista. That's a joke. Microsoft, you can do better than that....Halo 1 was nothing special for a shooters, as it was half greatness (thanks to lots of variety and good design early on) and half pure shit (b/c onc The Flood hits, it suddenly gets way over-repetitive in enemies, cut and pasted environments, and very lazy/rushed game design). Overall, Halo is mediocre -- it only succeeded on the XBox b/c of the lack of FPS competition on there; it filled a void the XBox was needing. On the PC, it was "just another FPS." If you've played a lot of PC shooters, you know there's just way much better ones out there compared to Halo -- for starters, Doom series, Quake series, Unreal series, NOLF series, Deus Ex series, Half-Life series, Far Cry, Painkiller, and that's just to name a few I can think of at this very second in time...I know there's more....

Hellgate: London, Crysis, Alan Wake, Fable 2 PC (when and if that gets announced....) -- those would be reasons to make me want to jump to Vista, if those were Vista exclusives....we know of those, Alan Wake's the only Vista exclusive of those I just named.

What gets me is when some gamers/people treat Halo as if there were no FPS's before it. It's as if it's the FPS messiah. Sorry, but that might be on the case for the X-Box....Gimmie a break. It was NOT revolutionary or even evolutionary, for that matter....

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #27 on: Friday, January 19, 2007, 10:03:27 PM »
.... Well, that seems like a waste.

Strike one: EA
Strike two: C&C
Strike three: EA (Hey, it should count for two)

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #28 on: Friday, January 19, 2007, 11:06:18 PM »
.... Well, that seems like a waste.

Strike one: EA
Strike two: C&C
Strike three: EA (Hey, it should count for two)

Oh, fucking hell!!!

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #29 on: Friday, January 19, 2007, 11:41:18 PM »
Fuck, I am sure any of us would take the opportunity. Once he makes a name for himself he can surely move on to less evil empires, or start his own.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #30 on: Saturday, January 20, 2007, 12:31:41 AM »
I am appalled and saddened on all counts.  I sincerely hope he didn't mean anything he said in that post, because if those are the kinds of people he wants to be working with, he's no friend of mine.  I do, of course, assume that he meant all this from a development standpoint, which is entirely different, but it still saddens me to see him join the ranks of my #1 most hated company in the universe.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #31 on: Saturday, January 20, 2007, 01:01:53 AM »
That's pretty extreme. It is an opportunity.

It is better than sitting at home, holding your dick and crying about never making it the way you wanted. Even if he is working for a company he hates, he still gets the experience and resume that enables him to move on to better things. His mentor was already at EA so that's how he scored the opportunity.

Working for those bastards for a few years and then moving on is far better, than the mental anguish of getting old and wrinkled and looking back at your life as a big waste.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #32 on: Saturday, January 20, 2007, 01:05:21 AM »
Yeah... and what did I say to contradict any of that?  I just fucking hate EA.  That isn't going to change just because some guy finds an opportunity there.  I hate everything they stand for.  He certainly may move on and such, and that's great for him.  Doesn't mean I'm going to be any happier about it.  If I could wipe EA from the face of the planet with a thought, their offices would all be giant smoking craters in the roasted earth.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #33 on: Saturday, January 20, 2007, 01:25:35 AM »
No I know. I was just saying that if you ever get an opportunity Que don't knock it because it is a place you hate. It will help you move forward.

Then again what if that opportunity meant working at IGN? :D

Also I can imagine you working at EA just to infiltrate and destroy them from within. :D

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #34 on: Saturday, January 20, 2007, 01:56:09 AM »
I know well the necessity of hating what you do and working somewhere even if it stands against everything you believe in.  It's what I do every day.  I even attempted to get out of it by applying to IGN at one point.  I doubt they even read my resume given the swarming mass of applicants they must get whenever they advertise an open position.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #35 on: Saturday, January 20, 2007, 07:45:18 AM »
I would've rather Greg K went to Relic or Blizzard.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #36 on: Saturday, January 20, 2007, 08:31:17 AM »
I think Greg would also rather that.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #37 on: Saturday, January 20, 2007, 10:30:27 AM »
Maybe he doesn't. Who knows (save for him and his wife). We would all just rather that.

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #38 on: Saturday, January 20, 2007, 10:37:43 AM »
"We're gonna miss Greg! We wish him luck in the future!"

*time passes*

"What? Hes working for EA? Fuck that guy."

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Re: Kasavin is leaving Gamespot!
« Reply #39 on: Saturday, January 20, 2007, 12:51:36 PM »
.... Well, that seems like a waste.

Strike one: EA
Strike two: C&C
Strike three: EA (Hey, it should count for two)

What's so bad about C&C? I really enjoyed the Red Alert games.