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Offline Pugnate

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If you plug in to the internet, we will plug you in to the wall.
« on: Saturday, February 24, 2007, 09:29:59 AM »
Warning: The news item below may annoy some, anger others.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17251571/page/1/

Well it did work for drug addicts... and being a drug addict is just as serious to being addicted to the internet.

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Re: If you plug in to the internet, we will plug you in to the wall.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday, February 24, 2007, 01:51:55 PM »
Poor kid. Put in jail by his parents for looking at the internet. At age 17. It baffles me why other nations don't put more pressure on China about their piss-poor track record on human rights.

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« Reply #2 on: Saturday, February 24, 2007, 02:48:26 PM »
Authoritarian countries take such interesting approaches to psychotherapy.

THIS IS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!!!

Hint: If they need to say it that often and that loudly, it probably isn't true.

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« Reply #3 on: Saturday, February 24, 2007, 03:00:20 PM »
has electroshock therapy actually everhelped anyone with anything?

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« Reply #4 on: Saturday, February 24, 2007, 03:11:28 PM »
I turned out just fine.

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« Reply #5 on: Saturday, February 24, 2007, 03:58:48 PM »
has electroshock therapy actually everhelped anyone with anything?
Debatably.

Electroconvulsive therapy was introduced in the 1930's. There are two important things you need to know about medicine (and particularly psychotherapy) in the 1930's: first, this was before the advent of the double-blind controlled trial, meaning that physicians were basically just guessing about how well their treatments worked; and second, there were no effective treatments for most mental disorders.

At the time, there were five available treatment options for any mental illness: Let your rich family take care of you, get locked up in an asylum, get a lobotomy, get ECT, or disappear in prison. Most people don't have rich families, so they almost invariably received one (or more!) of the last four options. Doctors* usually chose ECT as a first-line treatment because it was the only option that didn't involve ruining the patient's life.
*The doctors chose the treatment, not the patients. This was before "informed consent."

ECT (along with the frontal lobotomy) was phased out almost as soon as pharmacological treatments became available. However, it is still used under certain very rare circumstances, mostly for patients with severe depression that has persistently resisted other treatments (it actually is somewhat effective). The modern procedure isn't as barbaric as the old one - for starters, they use muscle relaxants now, which prevents the injured muscles, broken bones, and slipped vertebrae that made the old procedure so exciting.

I have no idea why Tao Ran is using ECT to treat addiction. (EDIT: It's not ECT. I think it's some kind of aversion training.) I suspect this means he's a quack in the style of America's own Dr. George A. Ricaurte.

« Last Edit: Saturday, February 24, 2007, 04:19:43 PM by WindAndConfusion »

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Re: If you plug in to the internet, we will plug you in to the wall.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday, February 24, 2007, 04:04:17 PM »
Authoritarian countries take such interesting approaches to psychotherapy.

THIS IS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!!!

Hint: If they need to say it that often and that loudly, it probably isn't true.

The US has become a lot more authoritarian over the past generation.  This kind of shit can be justified in all sorts of ways, often by causing enough fear for people to welcome more trampled freedoms.  It won't be done by the military here.  It may be done by other institutions.

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Re: If you plug in to the internet, we will plug you in to the wall.
« Reply #7 on: Saturday, February 24, 2007, 04:16:09 PM »
The US has become a lot more authoritarian over the past generation.
I agree with your last post except for this sentence. I don't think authoritarianism in the US government is anything new.

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« Reply #8 on: Saturday, February 24, 2007, 04:18:50 PM »
It's not ECT.
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Led by Tao Ran, a military researcher who built his career by treating heroin addicts, the clinic uses a tough-love approach that includes counseling, military discipline, drugs, hypnosis and mild electric shocks.
It sounds like the electric shocks are part of an aversion "therapy."

Nonetheless, I'm still pretty sure Tao Ran is a quack.