Topic: Datelines To Catch a PRedator

[Quemaqua]

That's a whole different issue, though.  That kind of shit should still be punished, but obviously not in the same way.  But that really isn't what we're talking about here.

[Cobra951]

Actually, it's exactly the sensibility I'm trying to arouse in all of you.  The subject matter is mired in unreasoning fear and hysteria.  As a result, things such as what nick reported are all too likely to come true.  I believe due process is trampled here routinely.

[Quemaqua]

Well, I certainly think public sexual acts should be prosecuted, so don't expect to win me over with that one.  Anybody who wants to fuck outdoors can pay the penalty for it.  I don't need to see that shit, and I sure as hell don't need my niece or nephew seeing it.

Still, I don't entirely disagree with you.  I think there are circumstances that obviously warrant a different view.  You can't make minor offenses take the same beating as rape.  I think we can all agree on that, and I think we can all agree that people do go overboard when something worries them too much.  Still, I thought we were just talking about actual predators, given the subject of the thread.  I feel pretty differently about the two topics, obviously.

[gpw11]

Well, I certainly think public sexual acts should be prosecuted, so don't expect to win me over with that one.  Anybody who wants to fuck outdoors can pay the penalty for it.  I don't need to see that shit, and I sure as hell don't need my niece or nephew seeing it.

What type of punishment and prosecution are we talking about here?  I mean, lets not kid ourselves, the justice system has more important things to deal with then the fact that two minors were fucking in a bush and a 12 year old came across them.  I'm sure their sensibilities haven't been too damaged after all the damn porn they've been watching since they learned how to fire up IE or Firefox. 

[Cobra951]

I keep trying to walk away from this, because it's such a charged subject.  But yeah, that's it.  Goddamit, it's just SEX!  Do we have to make so many criminals out of willing participants?

[TheOtherBelmont]

[Quemaqua]

But can't you see that most people don't view it as "just sex"?  Don't expect people to roll over on the issue just because your personal view of sex eschews that level of responsibility.  It's a fundamental difference in viewpoint.  We think the fact that you can say it's "just sex" is really, really sad, because to us it's apparently a great deal more.  Really, that's what it comes down to.

I'm not trying to be a dick here, I'm just saying the foundation of each thought process is so completely different there's no point in debating it this way.  It's like you're trying to call a fish a donkey.  You can say it a billion times, but to us, the fish is still a fish no matter what you call it.  Cook it and season it with care and you've got pure, buttery deliciousness.  Pay it little mind, and all you get is diseased meat and the overwhelming smell of trout.

[idolminds]

You were hungry for fish when you wrote that, weren't you?

[Quemaqua]

If by fish you mean boobies.

[Pugnate]

I've been reading through this fascinating discussion and I find it hard to decide who is right, if anyone is. I agree with the Que'ster yet I also agree with Cobra. I agree that there are a lot worse things two people can be punished for than consensual sex.

[idolminds]

I always mean boobies.

[angrykeebler]

I've been reading through this fascinating discussion and I find it hard to decide who is right, if anyone is. I agree with the Que'ster yet I also agree with Cobra. I agree that there are a lot worse things two people can be punished for than consensual sex.

Like graffiti. God, I hate that. They should apply the death penalty to that crime.

[Cobra951]

Please understand that in no way do my libertine philosophies involve children.  We really can't debate anything if there's confusion about that.

Yes, I think people should have much more open attitudes toward sexuality.  At the very least, tolerance is needed.  Under no circumstances do I think it's morally correct to deprive anyone of their liberty for consensual sexual acts.  If I had the power, I would free such people from injustice by force.

The way things are now, I feel like I've outlived my time.  It's like taking a step back into the dark ages, in this respect at least.

[Pugnate]

Please understand that in no way do my libertine philosophies involve children.  We really can't debate anything if there's confusion about that.

Yes, I think people should have much more open attitudes toward sexuality.  At the very least, tolerance is needed.  Under no circumstances do I think it's morally correct to deprive anyone of their liberty for consensual sexual acts.  If I had the power, I would free such people from injustice by force.

The way things are now, I feel like I've outlived my time.  It's like taking a step back into the dark ages, in this respect at least.

No obviously you aren't condoning that sort of disgusting thing.

I think a question is on the whole consensual sex law. Why 18? Why would a 19 year old be committing a crime by having sex with a 17 year old girl? What changes for her in a year?

[angrykeebler]

I guess the line had to be drawn somewhere.

[nickclone]

No obviously you aren't condoning that sort of disgusting thing.

I think a question is on the whole consensual sex law. Why 18? Why would a 19 year old be committing a crime by having sex with a 17 year old girl? What changes for her in a year?

In most states there can't be a three year difference, so 19 and 17 is ok.

[Pugnate]

I guess the line had to be drawn somewhere.

Yea that's true.

[Cobra951]

As I understand it, there is a 4-year law in Ohio.  I also found out that in Ohio, parents can consent to a man being involved with their 15-year-old daughter.  This is a specific case that I know of.

[gpw11]

14 in Canada....unless you're in any position of authority over the person.