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Spyro kills children?
« on: Wednesday, March 28, 2007, 07:51:46 PM »
No, stupid fucking parents sue game companies when their children die because they're genetically inferior.  Sorry for your loss, ladly, but if it wasn't a video game, it would have been, I don't know, one of the other 18-fucking-billion electronic devices in the world.  Be glad he didn't suffer, and shut the fuck up.  The disclaimer should be clue enough that you're going to lose this, unless our judicial system is even more worthless than I thought.

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Re: Spyro kills children?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday, March 28, 2007, 08:28:10 PM »
Yeah, these lawsuits never cease to amaze me.  I was actually thinking about this sort of thing yesterday.

I almost got hit by a car backing out of its spot in a parking lot yesterday.  I mean me as a person, not my car.  I was thinking that if I did get hit I'd probably be pissed, but I wouldn't sue them.  Even if I was hurt enough that I hurt for a few days I wouldn't sue.  I don't know what I would do if I ended up in a hospital so I won't comment on that.  But it got me thinking that there are people out there that would in a heartbeat sue over something like that even if the injuries were relatively minor or even non-existent.

But FYI, the disclaimer isn't ironclad.  I don't mean this disclaimer specifically, but any disclaimer.  They aren't binding contracts.  Even waivers don't stand up in court sometimes, and you sign those.

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Re: Spyro kills children?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday, March 28, 2007, 10:36:05 PM »
Indeed.  The disclaimer isn't necessarily enough.  It's a case of strict liability.  Sony and Vivendi may still be liable even though they were not negligent (ie. for providing the warning and stuff).

But laws like these have a lot of gray area between them.

Regardless, it seems to be a pretty retarded suit to file though, because clearly, the parent was the one who was negligent.

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Re: Spyro kills children?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday, March 28, 2007, 11:06:24 PM »
Honestly, I don't think anybody was at fault.  Did the parent know their kid was susceptible?  It didn't say, but I got the impression they didn't.  But does that make it anybody else's fault?  No.  It's a fucking accident.  Life sucks, get fucking used to it like the rest of us or go die in a hole somewhere and stop polluting the gene pool.  Nobody wanted your kid to die and nobody's happy to see it happen, but that doesn't make it anybody's fault.  Not even yours.  Things just happen.

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Re: Spyro kills children?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday, March 28, 2007, 11:18:41 PM »
No, stupid fucking parents sue game companies when their children die because they're genetically inferior.  Sorry for your loss, ladly, but if it wasn't a video game, it would have been, I don't know, one of the other 18-fucking-billion electronic devices in the world.  Be glad he didn't suffer, and shut the fuck up.  The disclaimer should be clue enough that you're going to lose this, unless our judicial system is even more worthless than I thought.


I'd argue that 'severe and permanent disabling injuries that will affect him "in all activities of daily living" and necessitate lifelong medical expenses' kind of counts as suffering.  

All that aside, I'll play devil's advocate for a second.  My true thoughts on this are a bit mixed, but I'm going to be a jackass.

There is a very high probability that this instance of PSE was the first time it has occured in this child.  You usually don't know if a child has a form of epilepsy (or is susceptible to external stimuli causing seizures) until their first episode unless by chance there is a cat scan going on that happens to pick up some unusual activity.  As you can imagine, the chances of that for an otherwise healthy child is slim to none.   Epilepsy isn't neccesarily easy to diagnose, and in the case of a grand mal seizure, a lot of damage can be done with a single episode. This very well might not be a case of reading the fucking manual, this could very well be a case where the parent holds no blame at all.

Does that mean she should sue?  I don't know.  There certainly are ways to greatly decrease the chances of inducing PSE. Many television regulating bodies also regulate certain types of flickers and don't allow them to air.  Likewise, certain frequencies of flickering for all public lighting displays are regulated in many places to avoid triggering PSE in people (both knowingly epileptic and not) - this includes signboards, neon lights, strobe lights, and pretty much everything you can think of. I'm fairly certain it's also usually followed in web design to avoid graphics flickering at a certain rate and I've come at least one site that had a popup click open warning that there was a dangerous frequency of flickering ahead and to hit a button to skip it or whatever.  

I'm not an expert - I don't know how much we actually know about PSE, but I'd  say there's a chance we know enough to be able to prevent inducing it in sensitive people most of the time.  If that's the case then you could probably succesfully argue that companies would have a moral obligation to take measures to try and prevent it...if that's the case.

Think about it, all of a sudden your kid is in a somewhat crippled state - physically, mentally, or both - and it's through no fault of your own.  You're faced with huge medical bills , possibly substandard or non existent medical insurance, and a child who may never be self-sustainable.  I'm not one who would personally sue in a case like the one Scott mentioned, but that's a person and you may be ruining their life.  Corporations are a completely different story by design.  Weigh it in your mind as a parent - take a chance and try to sue to ensure your child the comfort and medical care that the money can provide, or just suck it up as an act of God and sleep well at night knowing that you didn't cost the shareholders a few pennies.  Not all lawsuits are about greed, some are about necessity.

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Re: Spyro kills children?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday, March 29, 2007, 12:28:13 AM »
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According to the suit, the child suffered severe and permanent disabling injuries that will affect him "in all activities of daily living" and necessitate lifelong medical expenses.

I guess I am the only one who feels sorry for the kid, but I don't think he has a case unless he can prove that this wouldn't have happened anyway.

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Re: Spyro kills children?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday, March 29, 2007, 01:07:48 AM »
I didn't say I didn't feel sorry for him.  And for some reason I thought he was dead.  Probably because I'm very drunk right now.

I just don't think you can blame a random tragedy on anybody when there isn't truly anybody at fault.  Why should some company be responsible for paying your bills when what happened really wasn't linked to them in any real way?  If it were my kid, I'd want them to pony up too just because I'd be too poor to deal with it otherwise probably, but why should they have to?  If somebody gets hit by a car because they walk out in front of it not realizing, you don't expect the car's manufacturer to pay for it.  The product wasn't being misused, it was just a sad circumstance that resulted in tragedy.

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Re: Spyro kills children?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday, March 29, 2007, 09:52:43 AM »
The term is "deep-pocket justice" and it has serious advocates.  If the parents can't afford the child's medical bills without financial ruin, and there isn't enough insurance, a big company can shoulder the burden.  The company is not at fault in terms of right and wrong, to be sure.

I'm not disagreeing with you.  I'm pointing out the way it is.

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Re: Spyro kills children?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday, March 29, 2007, 10:20:32 AM »
The term is "deep-pocket justice" and it has serious advocates.  If the parents can't afford the child's medical bills without financial ruin, and there isn't enough insurance, a big company can shoulder the burden.  The company is not at fault in terms of right and wrong, to be sure.

I'm not disagreeing with you.  I'm pointing out the way it is.

Well said. I don't agree with it either, but that seems to be how it is. I remember reading about a car accident that wasn't covered by the insurance, but because the victim ended up being a quad amputee, the insurance company lost the case.

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Re: Spyro kills children?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday, March 29, 2007, 04:24:08 PM »
I don't see what the big deal is, like it's been pointed out its really no one's fault. I don't see why a lawsuit is out of the question, I'm involved in a lawsuit right now as we speak.