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Top Ten games of the past decade
« on: Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 01:10:53 AM »
I totally ripped this thread off of K-Man, but I am really wanting to know this myself now that many years have passed, has your favorite games of all time changed at all? So basically the rule to follow is no games can be listed older than 1997. Here goes:

1. Deus Ex
This is what I would define as the pinnacle of my PC gaming experience. Tie Fighter comes as a close second but that game is too old to be on the list so it gets at least a mention. While the sequel seemed to have failed miserably in giving the player a sense of freedom, merely only giving the sense of a delusion that you have a choice, Deus Ex nailed this perception perfectly. Allowing the player to really breath in a world of futuristic conflict and political struggle and creating a character that could change this world as they saw fit as objectives were thrown to the player and were always rewarded for their choices.

2. Freespace 2
Im a pretty big space action sim nut so this one really deserves some kudos. While its one of the most hardest games I have ever played through its simply the best you can experience a real space battle with death beams tearing through giant capital ships right in front of your eyes. Probably its defining moment with me was my first encounter of the Shivan dreadnaught, flying blindly through a nebula and witnessing its sheer size uncover before you, my genitals coward in fear. By the end of the game I had memorized every single hotkey and was forced to use each one as I banked on sheer luck that my wingmen would come out victorious for their objectives as I struggled to blast away freight ship after freight ship in time. I was way too absorbed into that game.

3. Metroid Prime
I don't think I've played a first person shooter on a console that was done as good as this... well save maybe Goldeneye, and it happened to be Metroid. From the glorious boss fights to the gorgeous environments. You could believe that the planet actually exists somewhere in our universe because the atmosphere felt so real. While Zelda OOT was a good translation from a 2d environment to a 3d one, I think Metroid Prime pretty much beats it.

4. Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
I don't think I have ever played a game that oozed as much charm as this one. A straight up console RPG with some really nice mario hilarity touches. My favorite chapter and probably one of the greatest times I had in a RPG was the 3rd Chapter: Glitzville, the arena fighting, that was all just a pure gold gaming moment. Plus after you beat the game, you could go back and check out how all your pals made out at the end and even do some more extra stuff.

5. Fallout
Well as far as the whole post apocalyptic universe thing goes, Fallout takes the cake. This type of environment has always been a fav of mine so I think it deserves a high spot. The amount of exploration and story to uncover is ridiculous, but first you had to learn to survive which made you feel like a real man even if you were just a scrawny ass gamer.

6. Metal Gear Solid
Movie cinematics and gaming collide in no better fashion. This one started the twist filled story of Snake and his badass adventures for the next gen consoles. The story was its main grip on the player to move the game along, the stealth action and awesome boss fights were just frosting on the cake. 

7. Shadow of the Colossus
I think this is the best looking PS2 game out there. I absolutely loved its visuals. I think it was the third colossus you fight, the tall one with the massive sword. Climbing to its head and watching the world around you sway and turn as the colossus tries to throw you off, I was just in total awe. That one and just so many other moments fighting the various colossi were just pure gold.

8. Final Fantasy VII
I never did play all through FFVI, I'm sure alot of want to smack me for that, but I never really got into the console RPGs until I played this one. I had quite the marathon going when I played through it. Eating became a much lower priority. I just thought to acknowledge this one as it is really the very reason you should own a playstation console.

9. F.E.A.R.
Half Life had some pretty sweet AI in its day, but I think F.E.A.R. just totally blew me away with its AI. Its too human, it actually scares the shit out of me, as if the creepy red dressed little girl appearing at will was bad enough. The atmosphere was amazing and it had a pretty cool story to boot, and the guns felt just right as they shot off great amounts of debris off of walls and shelves with awesome visual effects, but the AI... my god... amazing.

10. World of Warcraft
I have to throw this one in here because no game have held my attention longer than this. Its really the best MMO ever created. My first attempt at this genre scene was with Anarchy Online, it was cool but it didnt do enough to keep me addicted, not like WoW did. Theres really nothing else to mention because I think everyone has played it before. Its created such a ripple in MMO gaming that it would be a crime not to mention it.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 02:48:54 AM »
1. Deus Ex
2. Baldur's Gate II + Expansion
3. Civilization IV
4. Elder Scrolls: Oblivion
5. Diablo II + Expansion

Those are pretty much my all time favorite games. Oblivion has been my recent edition, and I love it to death. Most of the games on that list are interchangeable, and I've played Civilization, Baldur's Gate, Diablo II and Oblivion a lot more than Deus Ex (which I've only finished twice), yet Deus Ex for me remains the favorite.

Other notables are:

Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast (One of my favorite games, but the replay value was hindered by the slow initial 30 minutes)
Knights of the old Republic (It is pretty amazing, but when compared to deeper RPGs like PS:T and Baldur's Gate feels light and consolized)
F.E.A.R. (Was superb, but a bit of a one trick pony)
Neverwinter Nights 1 (Was great, but lacked party based gameplay)
Neverwinter Nights 2 (Had party based gameplay, but was flawed)
Splinter Cell games (Excellent, but restrictive.)
Rainbow Six series (All of the games were fantastic, yet none touched greatness)
Halo
PS:T (Watched my sister enjoy it)

Games that could appear on my list, once I get to them:

1. Jade Empire
2. Company of Heroes
3. Supreme Commander
« Last Edit: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 12:16:41 PM by Pugnate »

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 02:55:51 AM »
I reserve the right to post my list last so I can see how the land lies, becausse my list doesn't look to fit in so far.
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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 03:16:39 AM »
The only game I agree with so far is Deus Ex, when I played that game it completely blew my mind. I can easily say that the Hong Kong level is the best level of any game ever.

Postal 2: Say what you want about this game, but its a lot of fun and actually well thought out. There is no deep story about saving the world, its only about some loser and a window of five days of his shitty life when he finally snaps. When it first came out it had some problems, but the patch fixed all of that and added more to an already awesome game. The jokes are dead on and the attention to detail is amazing. Theres just so many things you can do in this game whether its looking for secrets, killing everyone, killing no one, pissing on donuts and feeding them to cops or playing fetch with your dog. However, I think I'll skip the movie.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 03:47:12 AM »
Postal 2 is one of the few things nick and I agree on.  While I certainly wouldn't list it in *any* of my top lists, I don't think it was treated with any fairness at all.  The game was wonky and such, but I had a good time with it.

But it's 4 AM right now so I dont' think I'm up for a list...

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 04:12:36 AM »
1. Oblivion
2. Rainbow Six 3
3. Deus Ex
4. Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
5. Final Fantasy VII
7. Jade Empire
8. NFS 3 Hot Pursuit
9. Neverwinter Nights
10. Bejeweled 2

Right off the bat, those are the first 10 games I think of when I think "top 10 since '97" I really wanted to add Pong, bu the rule was nothing before 1997.

Other noteworthy titles:
Prince of Persia series
Jedi Knight 2 Outcast
Crimson Skies
Rainbow Six 1, 2, and Vegas
Splinter Cell, Pandora Tomorrow
Half-Life 1 & 2
F.E.A.R.
Quake 4
Hitman series
Call of Duty 1 & 2
Medal of Honor Allied Assault
Prey
Psychonauts
Condemned: Criminal Origins
Advent Rising
American McGee's Alice
KotOR 1 & 2
The Sims 1 & 2
Ground Control 1 & 2
Darwinia

... and many, many more.


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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 06:51:53 AM »
Oh, I'm gonna have to think about this one.  Deus Ex is definitely at the top of my list though, but I'll have to make the list of ten. 

So I've given this some thought, and here's my list.

1. Deus Ex
Simply amazing game design and storytelling.  Really draws you into the world and is really good.

2. Mafia
Another great game.  Heavily story driven and one of the best gaming experiences I've had.

3. Rainbow Six
The first one ever that introduced the genre of tactical shooters.  No shooter would ever be the same with the concept of tactics introduced instead of just mindless shooting.  The game had tons of bugs and overall Red Storm showed themselves as a pretty mediocre coder, but the game was nonetheless amazing.

4. The Longest Journey
One the most amazing adventures ever.  This is an absolute must play.

5. Resident Evil 4
I've never really played an RE game before this one, and this one is nothing like the originals so I decided to give it a shot.  It would turn out to be one of the most amazing games I've ever played.  Just completely action packed and really challenging.  Exactly what I look for in a game.

6. Hitman Series
Not really just one game, but the entire series itself is quite amazing.  I just really dig the fact that the game is open ended enough to allow you to approach the mission and your target with whatever means you feel necessary.  The first one was a pretty mediocre game, but the second improved the whole series a lot and the third and fourth one, Blood Money would continue to improve the series and the gameplay by finetuning.  Overall, this is one of my favorite franchises available on the PC market today.

7. Ikaruga
Need I say more?  This game is simply a mix of ingenious gameplay with ultra challenging.  Those who get stuck or throw this one aside because of its difficulty really need to take a deeper look at this game and realize that there is actually quite a lot of depth in this game, which is quite rare from a shmup.

8. World of Warcraft
This game is so addictive and such a time sink.  I have intentions of returning to the game in the near future.

9. Gears of War
A very new game but it has such amazing gameplay that it deserves a mention. 

10. Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
A great adventure involving Mario, which the Gamecube was missing.

These are just some of my favorite games.  Here's a list of games worth mentioning though:
Splinter Cell Series
Metroid Prime Series
F-Zero GX
Rainbow Six: Vegas
FEAR
Half Life 1 and 2
Oblivion
Diablo II + Lord of Destruction
Dreamfall
Jedi Knight Series
Knights of the Old Republic
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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 10:31:14 AM »
I'm terrible at the top-10 game.  I started writing down post-97 games I really enjoyed until I got to 10.  Then I sorted them in what I think is my order of preference/merit.  That might change tomorrow, or even an hour from now.  I may also think of other games which I might prefer to something I already listed.  If I do, I'll just add it as an honorable mention or something.

1 Oblivion
2 Okami
3 Metroid Prime
4 System Shock 2
5 Dead Rising
6 Zelda Twilight Princess
7 GTA San Andreas
8 Psychonauts
9 Doom 3
10 Crackdown

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 06:08:13 PM »
Really, this is impossible.  There were so many great games since '97, and the more I think about it the more I think I could absolutely never choose a top 10.  It just wouldn't be possible.  If you look at my game library it should be pretty obvious to you why I'm just going to not participate.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 06:38:29 PM »
Since '97, eh? Well, hell....this could be a tough list for me.

Well, I can't come up w/ TEN yet for all, so I'll do SEVEN for each....

Okay, here's my Top SEVEN Games-- not order important.
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1. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
2. Planescape: Torment
3. Deus Ex
4. The Longest Journey
5. BG II: Shadows of Amn
6. Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines (one of the few games I always seem to go back to!)
7. F.E.A.R.

Some notable mentions below, no order importance
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1. Fallout 2
2. Jade Empire
3. KOTOR
4. NWN: Hordes
5. Gothic I
6. GTA: Vice City
7. The Sims
8. Max Payne 2
9. Mafia

Here are some of my Favorite SERIES, not order important
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1. Elder Scrolls series
2. Neverwinter Nights series
3. Baldur's Gate series
4. Hitman series
5. Half-Life series
6. Thief series
7. Quake series
8. Max Payne series
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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 08:15:55 PM »
I'm not going to go into specifics and these aren't in any real order but here are mine, I'm like Que and I'm having a really hard time narrowing this down and probably missed a ton:

1. Xenogears
2. Final Fantasy XII
3. Final Fantasy VII
4. God of War
5. Silent Hill
6. Xenosaga (all 3 episodes since it does tell one story)
7. Metal Gear Solid
8. Shadow of the Colussus
9. Okami
10. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

Also I'm surprised at the lack of God of War on these lists, even in notable mentions, have any of you guys (besides Que) played it?

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 10:34:47 PM »
Really, this is impossible.  There were so many great games since '97, and the more I think about it the more I think I could absolutely never choose a top 10.  It just wouldn't be possible.  If you look at my game library it should be pretty obvious to you why I'm just going to not participate.

Well no one is going to be strict on you. You can just throw up ten titles without numbering them that you though had a great influence.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 10:53:00 PM »
I used to have a top ten list in my head, but it's sorta fallen apart in the past couple of years. I do know it would include Homeworld, Sacrifice, Metroid Prime, Freespace 2, Symphony of the Night, Ico, and probably Metal Gear Solid. Filling out the remaining ten would be easy since I, like Que, have plenty that I loved that I could choose from, but narrowing that list down would be tough. Order would also be a toughy since I liked all this stuff for very different reasons.

No one's really mentioned it, but I wouldn't have a problem with Prince of Persia on any of these lists. The game just managed to stick to me in a nice way that doesn't happen all that often. I went back through it not to long back and it was like nice old sweater.

God of War is worth mentioning too, so don't feel bad Tet. The problem is it's easy for it to get pushed out of the shuffle when you look back ten years and see all the great stuff that's happened.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday, April 11, 2007, 12:35:51 AM »
The sad thing is that I made this thread over at ufck nearly a month ago and have still yet to post my full top 10 list.

Ah well, i'll save it for a rainy day

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday, April 11, 2007, 03:07:13 PM »
I'm surprised I'm the only one to mention Planescape: Torment...

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #15 on: Thursday, April 12, 2007, 10:45:56 AM »
That and Baldur's Gate 2 are games I could never stick with.  I tried, really I did.  I know they're highly regarded by some.

I didn't realize that Castlevania SotN would qualify for this list.  It would have been in mine.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #16 on: Thursday, April 12, 2007, 08:14:50 PM »
That one would be in mine as well, I think.  Then again, maybe not.  That's why I'm not doing this.   ;D

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #17 on: Friday, April 13, 2007, 04:37:15 AM »
Okay, here's my list. These games are not necessarily cool, or respectable, but they're the games that I've got the most enjoyment out of in the last ten years, and isn't that what this list should be about?

Max Payne (PC)
Perfect Dark (N64)
Sonic Adventure (DC)
Trauma Center (DS)
Megaman Zero (GBA)
Dead Rising (360)
Zelda: OOT (N64)
House Of The Dead 2 (Arcade/DC)
Super Smash Bros: Melee (GC)
Mafia (PC)
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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #18 on: Friday, April 13, 2007, 05:42:58 AM »
Yea I kinda forgot Max Payne. :P

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #19 on: Friday, April 13, 2007, 09:28:19 AM »
Oh shit, Katamari!
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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #20 on: Friday, April 13, 2007, 09:50:52 AM »
See?  It's impossible.  I completely forgot about Katamari.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #21 on: Friday, April 13, 2007, 10:01:03 AM »
I think my favorite four or five always remain the same but you are right it is easier to forget about other titles.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #22 on: Friday, April 13, 2007, 02:03:34 PM »
Okay, here's my list. These games are not necessarily cool, or respectable, but they're the games that I've got the most enjoyment out of in the last ten years, and isn't that what this list should be about?

Max Payne (PC)
Perfect Dark (N64)
Sonic Adventure (DC)
Trauma Center (DS)
Megaman Zero (GBA)
Dead Rising (360)
Zelda: OOT (N64)
House Of The Dead 2 (Arcade/DC)
Super Smash Bros: Melee (GC)
Mafia (PC)
Fuck -- how'd I forget Max Payne series for the "series" list???

And oh yeah -- Mafia ruled. Nuff said. Outstanding game.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #23 on: Sunday, March 08, 2009, 03:10:03 PM »
3. Final Fantasy VII

From IGN.
This is an interesting article discussing whether FF7 is overrated or not.


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"Perhaps, for hardcore fans like Colin, it would be more appropriate to say that in comparison, Final Fantasy IV and VI are underrated," Clements counters. "There's no doubt that the games are fondly remembered and franchise-favorites according to a vast number of Final Fantasy enthusiasts, but they're often forgotten in favor of the flashier, more groundbreaking seventh iteration."
I would agree about FF6 being underrated.

I definitely do think FF7 was a great game, though -- even though it probably isn't one of the best RPG's of all time in my own opinion. I think FF6 and 7 are probably the two best in the FF series, though -- keep in mind, I ain't played an FF since FF9. So, no -- I ain't played FF10 and beyond (PS2 FF's and beyond).

Just for starters, I'll take PS:T; FO series; BG series; The Witcher; Vamp: Bloodlines; Elder Scrolls 3 & 4 -- all over FF7 any day.


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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #24 on: Sunday, March 08, 2009, 04:44:07 PM »
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Games that could appear on my list, once I get to them:

1. Jade Empire
2. Company of Heroes
3. Supreme Commander

Jade Empire... Supcom? What the hell was I smoking?

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #25 on: Sunday, March 08, 2009, 05:02:50 PM »
I think Jade Empire was an excellent game, although I doubt it would make my top 10.  It certainly was my game of the year in 05

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #26 on: Sunday, March 08, 2009, 05:06:08 PM »
I thought it was an average game at best, but when compared to the rest of Bioware's works, it was quite poor. A massive disappointment personally.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #27 on: Sunday, March 08, 2009, 06:11:08 PM »
I thought it was an average game at best, but when compared to the rest of Bioware's works, it was quite poor. A massive disappointment personally.

I liked Jade Empire quite a bit, myself. It was pretty good, but it was not their best.

But, really -- what game of Bioware's is going to ever top BG2?

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Games that could appear on my list, once I get to them:

1. Jade Empire
2. Company of Heroes
3. Supreme Commander

Jade Empire... Supcom? What the hell was I smoking?
Well, all three of those were being hyped to be the greatest thing since sliced-bread...

A lot of games, no matter how great they might turn out, often don't live up to the insane ridiculous amounts of hype shoveled forth to us.


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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #28 on: Sunday, March 08, 2009, 07:14:42 PM »
I should be beaten with a hammer for not putting Chrono Trigger or Chrono Cross on my list, but like I said in the the previous post, it's too hard to make a top 10.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #29 on: Sunday, March 08, 2009, 07:23:06 PM »
Too hard?  Julia beat Chrono Trigger with no issues a few years ago.  She had a hell of a lot more trouble with Persona 3 and 4.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #30 on: Sunday, March 08, 2009, 07:28:09 PM »
From IGN.
This is an interesting article discussing whether FF7 is overrated or not.

I would agree about FF6 being underrated.

I definitely do think FF7 was a great game, though -- even though it probably isn't one of the best RPG's of all time in my own opinion. I think FF6 and 7 are probably the two best in the FF series, though -- keep in mind, I ain't played an FF since FF9. So, no -- I ain't played FF10 and beyond (PS2 FF's and beyond).

Just for starters, I'll take PS:T; FO series; BG series; The Witcher; Vamp: Bloodlines; Elder Scrolls 3 & 4 -- all over FF7 any day.
I remember I was at Miami University at the time of FFVII's release.  I remember the commercials being pretty amazing, but looking back I think it was cheating quite a bit.  I mean the commercials were 100% CGI at resolutions the PSX couldn't even display.  I think it's possible that a large reason for the game's success is that many people bought the game just from how amazing the commercials looked.  The gameplay portions ended up being a far, far cry from those videos in terms of visual wow-factor.

I never really played the game though, so I don't have an opinion on if it is or is not overrated.

Jade Empire... Supcom? What the hell was I smoking?
I just thought it was interesting that you listed that they could possibly be on there without ever playing them.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #31 on: Sunday, March 08, 2009, 07:46:53 PM »
Despite not so much being a fan of turn-based RPGs with random encounters, I do have to say that Final Fantasy VII story and setting are entirely unique.  The story gets convoluted and strange toward the end, but the characters are original and endearing, and the setting is fantastic.  Even despite it being old and not a kind of game I generally like as much, I've gone through the game about twice.  I haven't actually beat it, but I did get to the very end on my 2nd run, and the first time I tried I didn't succeed because of a problem playing it on PC when my HDD crashed and lost my save.

Is it overrated?  Most assuredly yes.  However, it is a fantastic game that achieved a lot, especially for the time, and even to this day remains something that, depending on your preferences and what you feel are the best aspects of a game, can still be very much worth playing.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #32 on: Sunday, March 08, 2009, 09:13:04 PM »
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I do have to say that Final Fantasy VII story and setting are entirely unique.  The story gets convoluted and strange toward the end, but the characters are original and endearing, and the setting is fantastic.
Agreed.

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Even despite it being old and not a kind of game I generally like as much, I've gone through the game about twice.  I haven't actually beat it, but I did get to the very end on my 2nd run, and the first time I tried I didn't succeed because of a problem playing it on PC when my HDD crashed and lost my save.
Oooh, that really stinks, Que. :(
I really liked FF7 and its end, for the most part.

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Is it overrated?  Most assuredly yes.  However, it is a fantastic game that achieved a lot, especially for the time, and even to this day remains something that, depending on your preferences and what you feel are the best aspects of a game, can still be very much worth playing.
I think you said it best here.

I think it came at the right time, when gamers were lookin' for a console RPG that actually had great graphics. Let's face it -- RPG's weren't known for their graphics before FF7 really. With its excellent CG-work that looked like those seen in CG animated films; pretty good technical in-game graphics for a RPG; and excellent artistry that was off the charts here, FF had evolved in the category it never had evolved before. Sure, all the FF's before FF7 were known for having pretty good character depth, good turn-based combat systems, and a great story -- but FF7 took the graphics thing really to another level.

 

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #33 on: Sunday, March 08, 2009, 09:33:01 PM »
Too hard?  Julia beat Chrono Trigger with no issues a few years ago.  She had a hell of a lot more trouble with Persona 3 and 4.

No, the game isn't hard.  It's too hard to make a top 10 list in general, I wasn't referring to the games' difficulty.  Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross are fairly easy RPGs.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #34 on: Sunday, March 08, 2009, 11:09:19 PM »
I remember I was at Miami University at the time of FFVII's release.  I remember the commercials being pretty amazing, but looking back I think it was cheating quite a bit.  I mean the commercials were 100% CGI at resolutions the PSX couldn't even display.  I think it's possible that a large reason for the game's success is that many people bought the game just from how amazing the commercials looked.  The gameplay portions ended up being a far, far cry from those videos in terms of visual wow-factor.

I never really played the game though, so I don't have an opinion on if it is or is not overrated.

That's about how I feel about it.  I did try to play it, though I didn't get very far.  It felt like a fancy CGI movie with a subpar game forced on it for advancing chapters.  I thought then and still think now that it should have been a movie (along with Spirits Within and Advent Children, which bolstered my opinion at the time about Squaresoft's slant toward mostly passive entertainment with limited user interaction).  It wasn't until XII that I felt the game itself came close to matching the implied promise of the CGI in FF games since VII.  The next iteration may finally see a convergence?

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #35 on: Sunday, March 08, 2009, 11:34:33 PM »
1.) Vagrant Story





10.)Vagrant Story



The middle doesn't really matter except that i'd probably put Jedi Outcast and NHL 94 (Sega motherfucking Genesis) in there.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #36 on: Monday, March 09, 2009, 12:05:48 AM »
I remember I was at Miami University at the time of FFVII's release.  I remember the commercials being pretty amazing, but looking back I think it was cheating quite a bit.  I mean the commercials were 100% CGI at resolutions the PSX couldn't even display.  I think it's possible that a large reason for the game's success is that many people bought the game just from how amazing the commercials looked.  The gameplay portions ended up being a far, far cry from those videos in terms of visual wow-factor.

I never really played the game though, so I don't have an opinion on if it is or is not overrated.
I just thought it was interesting that you listed that they could possibly be on there without ever playing them.

Yea it was one of those posts that I read and thought,"Wow, did I write that?"

I think it may have been that I had bought those games and was trying to gee myself up to actually installing them.

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Re: Top Ten games of the past decade
« Reply #37 on: Monday, March 09, 2009, 12:11:17 AM »
Just because an RPG has a lot of cutscenes doesn't mean there's no game there, Cobra.  Get your ass handed to you by a boss you can't figure out how to beat and you'll realize that quickly.  JRPGs always have a focus on story, and while I hear what you're saying because I really don't care for games of that ilk when compared to what I consider better games (they have improved much in recent days), it doesn't mean that what's there isn't a game.  It just has more story, so you spend a bit more time watching/reading stuff.

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« Reply #38 on: Monday, March 09, 2009, 12:16:10 AM »
I'm talking about my own experience, Que.  If yours said something else to you, I can accept that.  As I said, I did play the game, even if not all the way through.  I'm not making uninformed comments.

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« Reply #39 on: Monday, March 09, 2009, 12:26:53 AM »
No, I understand that, and I don't even know why I'm sort of defending the game since generally a lot of the limitations of that style bug the hell out of me, but... I guess I just think it's odd given that you enjoyed FFXII, and while the control and flow of the games have obviously changed a great deal, a lot of the basic mechanics are practically identical.  I guess that's what throws me, because to me the game seems fine, it just seems like the interface and lack of fluidity are the huge problems, not that the core game sucks.

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