Author Topic: Manhunt 2 rated "AO" by ESRB (Read 16446 times)

gpw11 · « **Reply #80 on:** Monday, October 08, 2007, 08:41:50 PM »

Well, that's hypocritical.

Quemaqua · « **Reply #81 on:** Monday, October 08, 2007, 08:44:22 PM »

... how?

MysterD · « **Reply #82 on:** Monday, October 08, 2007, 08:46:35 PM »

Whether there's interactivity or not, there content remains the same -- whether witnessing it happen in a movie or imitating an action in a game.

Shit, reading a book could be probably worse, in that regard. In a movie or game, the pictures are spelled out to you. In a book, your imagination could run wild w/ how you paint the picture from what's given on paper -- and, then some, if you expand on it yourself.

Green Mile Spoilers....

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gpw11 · « **Reply #83 on:** Monday, October 08, 2007, 08:56:44 PM »

Quote from: Quemaqua on Monday, October 08, 2007, 08:44:22 PM

... how?

I'm just being jackass.

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Whether there's interactivity or not, there content remains the same -- whether witnessing it happen in a movie or imitating an action in a game.

Shit, reading a book could be probably worse, in that regard. In a movie or game, the pictures are spelled out to you. In a book, your imagination could run wild w/ how you paint the picture from what's given on paper -- and, then some, if you expand on it yourself.

That's a valid opinion and a different school of thought. If you were a body appointed by a democratically elected government in order to make these sort of decisions, that's how you could form the basis of your judgements. That, however, is not the case.

MysterD · « **Reply #84 on:** Monday, October 22, 2007, 08:42:20 PM »

Looks like it was a Sony Computer Entertainment Europe employee that actually leaked out Manhunt 2: Uncut

gpw11 · « **Reply #85 on:** Monday, October 22, 2007, 09:33:35 PM »

FIRED! MAYBE SUED!

I really hope he had some kind of signed agreement garunteeing they would not pursue legal action if he admitted to it. Otherwise, why the hell would you actually fess up?

MysterD · « **Reply #86 on:** Tuesday, October 23, 2007, 10:59:46 AM »

Quote from: gpw11 on Monday, October 22, 2007, 09:33:35 PM

FIRED! MAYBE SUED!

I really hope he had some kind of signed agreement garunteeing they would not pursue legal action if he admitted to it. Otherwise, why the hell would you actually fess up?

Famous by infamy?
To be seen a rebel?

Heh, who knows.

Damned if I know, heh!

MysterD · « **Reply #87 on:** Thursday, October 25, 2007, 11:41:22 PM »

We knew this could be a possibility....

MH2 might be sold online over in the UK, since there's a loophole in their laws that don't allow DL'ed games to be rated. I wonder if that'll occur in the US, for an Uncut version of MH2.

Just watch -- I won't be surprised if say a new bill will be introduced to try and get games that are to be DL'ed to actually be rated...

Jedi · « **Reply #88 on:** Friday, October 26, 2007, 12:09:34 AM »

Quote from: MysterD on Tuesday, October 23, 2007, 10:59:46 AM

Famous by infamy?
To be seen a rebel?

Heh, who knows.

Damned if I know, heh!

The first line sums up Manhunt as far as I'm concerned.

Pugnate · « **Reply #89 on:** Friday, October 26, 2007, 01:48:32 AM »

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Famous by infamy?

I believe infamous is fame for notoriety.

MysterD · « **Reply #90 on:** Tuesday, October 30, 2007, 03:27:33 PM »

GameSpy gives the Wii M-rated version of Manhunt 2....
...2½ stars (out of 5)

7.0 from GameSpot for the Wii Version of the game

Quemaqua · « **Reply #91 on:** Tuesday, October 30, 2007, 07:35:11 PM »

Yowch. Controversy sure better start selling copies.

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On most of the executions, you can't really see what's going on

*sigh*

sirean_syan · « **Reply #92 on:** Thursday, November 01, 2007, 07:30:12 PM »

Oh, Rockstar's screwed.

As lame as it was, this is what nailed them with GTA:SA. Simply having the content there and people are going to be stupid and probably nail Rockstar to the wall for it, even if it took some crazy workaround to get to it.

This is bad. A second case of game being judged for content locked away in the coding isn't good for the gaming world.

MysterD · « **Reply #93 on:** Thursday, November 01, 2007, 07:39:55 PM »

*Says the next line sarcastically...*
Well, this is a surprise...

Quemaqua · « **Reply #94 on:** Thursday, November 01, 2007, 09:41:09 PM »

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We encourage them to enjoy our games as they are meant to be played. We would also like to emphasize that Manhunt 2 is intended for an audience aged 17 and above.

Actually, asshat, the game was meant to be played the way the hackers have now rendered it playable, which is why you had to rerate it because it was too hardcore. If I play it, it's definitely going to be, in my estimation, the way it was *meant* to be played.

MysterD · « **Reply #95 on:** Friday, November 02, 2007, 02:13:42 PM »

I didn't expect this.
ESRB doesn't blame Rockstar for the Manhunt 2 incident.
Here's why.

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The ESRB addressed all of these in a Q&A released to the press, which we've provided in full below:

Q: How is this situation different from the "Hot Coffee" incident?

A: The Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas "Hot Coffee" situation involved a scene that was a) fully rendered in an unmodified form on the disc (the Hot Coffee mod did not alter the content that was there, it merely unlocked it), b) not previously disclosed to the ESRB during the rating process, and c) easily accessible to all owners of the PC version of the game. Conversely, in the case of Manhunt 2, a) content that was programmed to be part of the game (i.e., visual blurring effects of certain violent depictions) is being modified, b) the content was previously disclosed to the ESRB, and c) unauthorized versions of software and/or hardware are required to play the modified content.

Q: How is this situation different from the one with "The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion?"

A: After the release of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, the ESRB discovered extensive amounts of fully rendered and previously undisclosed blood and gore in the game that warranted a Mature rating. In addition, there was a fully rendered anatomically detailed art file of a topless female character present on the disc that had not been previously disclosed to the ESRB during the rating process. The blood and gore was accessible to all owners of the PC and Xbox 360 versions of the game. The partial nudity was accessible to all owners of the PC version of the game if they downloaded a modification available on the Internet that replaced one version of character artwork for another, both of which existed in a fully rendered form on the disc. Conversely, with Manhunt 2, a) the content in question was previously disclosed to the ESRB, b) the content is being modified by removing the obscuring blur effect that was programmed as part of the game, and c) unauthorized versions of software and/or hardware are required to play the modified content.

Q: Why does this instance not fall under the ESRB's disclosure rule clarification requiring that locked-out content contained in the code on a game disc be considered in the assignment of a rating?

A: Our rule clarification following Hot Coffee required that pertinent content that is programmed to be locked out but which exists in an unmodified, fully rendered form on game discs must either be removed or disclosed to ESRB during the rating process. In the case of Manhunt 2, the scenes in question were playable (not locked-out), programmed to include the blur effect, and fully disclosed to the ESRB.

So, basically....it sounds like this -- The ESRB is saying that as long as the ESRB knows exactly everything that's on the disc content-wise for assets (rendered art, rendered models, blood, gore, etc etc), then they don't care if it's locked out, blurred-out, or what, if you originally intend to do so w/ the game...

That's actually...interesting...

Jedi · « **Reply #96 on:** Friday, November 02, 2007, 03:12:59 PM »

I think this about sums it up:

MysterD · « **Reply #97 on:** Friday, November 02, 2007, 03:15:11 PM »

LOL @ that cartoon

Pugnate · « **Reply #98 on:** Friday, November 02, 2007, 03:29:19 PM »

That's pretty good.

MysterD · « **Reply #99 on:** Monday, August 24, 2009, 01:40:45 PM »

Manhunt 2 is coming to the PC.
And yes, it's currently rated AO from the ESRB.

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Manhunt 2 PC Planned: Rated AO (For Now)

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The Entertainment Software Rating Board now lists a PC edition of Manhunt 2 among the games it has rated. As interesting as Windows plans for Rockstar Games' action/adventure sequel is the AO/Adults-Only rating it has earned, since games are very rarely released with that rating (there are currently all of 24 AO titles in the ESRB database).

The console versions of the game were originally also given an AO rating before some of the content in the game was tamed down, and even then the BBFC rejected the new version for sale in the UK before this ruling was changed by a lawsuit. Currently it is not clear if the Windows version of the game includes the content removed from the console editions, if it is destined for digital distribution, or if this rating will be appealed. Thanks Joystiq.

MysterD · « **Reply #100 on:** Saturday, October 31, 2009, 07:39:08 PM »

Manhunt 2 - AO Rated Version for the PC will be coming to D2D next week for $29.99.

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