Author Topic: Persona 3 (Shin Megami Tensei)  (Read 6566 times)

Offline gpw11

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Re: Persona 3 (Shin Megami Tensei)
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 09:58:45 PM »
I've played a number of MegaTen games in the past, from SNES to PS2, and they're sort of hit or miss for me.  I really like Persona 3, but the original Persona bored the living crap out of me no matter how hard I tried to like it.  I liked a lot of what I saw from Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne, but I never did pick it up, and the Digital Devil Saga games seemed to be rather firmly entrenched in the Love It or Hate It group.  They sounded awesome on some levels, totally not so awesome on others.  The series is pretty eclectic and weird, though, and there are a lot more games in the series than most people are aware.  I don't know whether or not many of the Jap-only ones have seen English translations and such, though I know there's a lot of interest in one that's been done for the first half of Persona 2 which we didn't get over here (for anyone who doesn't know, we just got the latter half... Persona 2 is sort of split into two separate games), but unfortunately that's just a text translation, not a ROM hack, or at least last I checked.  Can they even do that kind of thing with PS games?

Let me know if you ever dig into one of the DDS games.  I've never talked to anybody that's played one, but I've always been a little curious.

Yeah, I liked the idea of Persona 2: Innocent Sin (I think that was the one released here) when I played it on ePSXe, but after getting like 10 hours into it I realized that everything cool about the game was completely killed by the core gameplay mechanic of contacting demons.  Sure, that doesn't sound so bad on the surface, but when you're looking for a serial killer in an insane asylum where the staff and inmates have been slaughtered by demons and gangsters, it kind of seems lame that your female boxer character is pretending to testify against a blood sucking monster while your cop character pretends to interrogate him....all to get him to give you a new Persona card.  And the demon just sits there confused after it  probably just killed people for just being there while it lets these clowns act like total fools.  Just stupid.

P3 seemed like the point where they fixed the series as far as I'm concerned.  Having a reporter pretend to interview a demon to scare it just has no place in a game about serial killers, the occult, and people who's faces melt off.

As for your interest in DDS, check this out. It's the Let's Play! I've been following, and while it might not seem like an entertaining concept to watch someone else play a game, it's a good way to find out if you're into it (and actually pretty entertaining in general for some games). Go to the update, watch the videos, and then follow the screenshots/commentary (skipping those covered in the video).

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Re: Persona 3 (Shin Megami Tensei)
« Reply #41 on: Saturday, May 24, 2008, 12:56:39 AM »
Well I played it for the first time tonight and I think I'm going to like it, it's pretty fun so far.  I'll post details as I get further along but I'm looking forward to playing more.

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Re: Persona 3 (Shin Megami Tensei)
« Reply #42 on: Saturday, May 24, 2008, 08:46:57 PM »
pssst

Daytime = social links

Nighttime = raise social stats

Last day before full moon = people never get tired

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Re: Persona 3 (Shin Megami Tensei)
« Reply #43 on: Saturday, May 24, 2008, 09:38:25 PM »
Julia grabbed FES today.  She's about halfway through the main game, but decided she loved it enough she wanted to start over with the extended version so she could try some of the new tweaks and junk.  She's pretty into it.

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Re: Persona 3 (Shin Megami Tensei)
« Reply #44 on: Saturday, May 24, 2008, 10:47:40 PM »
Yeah, that's realistically the way to do it.  Like I said, my game clock had somewhere around 110 hours by the end of it and there was no way I was going to go through the entire main game to see what was in FES.

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Re: Persona 3 (Shin Megami Tensei)
« Reply #45 on: Sunday, May 25, 2008, 12:19:45 AM »
Though you don't have to, right?  You can just jump right into the end scenario if you want (which admittedly isn't everything since there's new stuff in the main game as well) as far as I know.

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Re: Persona 3 (Shin Megami Tensei)
« Reply #46 on: Sunday, May 25, 2008, 12:23:59 AM »
pssst

Daytime = social links

Nighttime = raise social stats

Last day before full moon = people never get tired

So should I only battle on the freebie nights?  Or should I battle every night, wait till my party gets tired and leave as soon as they do?

EDIT: After looking at some FAQs on the basics of the game, I noticed this about FES:

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In <FES> however, you will NOT have infinite stamina on the nights before the full moon and you will get tired. It does take longer to get tired on these nights, and allies that are tired won’t automatically leave Tartarus the next time you go back to the lobby. Also keep in mind that if you or any of your allies are already tired/sick when the night before a full moon comes around they will remain tired/sick.

I'm wondering if this applies to the main game "The Journey" or if it only applies to "The Answer" part of FES, guess I'll have to test it out on one of those nights.
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Re: Persona 3 (Shin Megami Tensei)
« Reply #47 on: Sunday, May 25, 2008, 02:18:51 PM »
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Though you don't have to, right?  You can just jump right into the end scenario if you want (which admittedly isn't everything since there's new stuff in the main game as well) as far as I know.

Yeah, you can just play "The Answer" (the second scenario) without replaying through the first part ("The Journey").  Like you said though, there's new stuff in the main game and a lot of people want to see that.  The second scenario looks cool, but it's aparently a pure dungeon crawl (in a completely different dungeon); no S-links or anything, which is both good and bad by the end of the game.  I don't know if you can play it without a completed game save from the first scenario though.

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So should I only battle on the freebie nights?  Or should I battle every night, wait till my party gets tired and leave as soon as they do?

Well, I wouldn't go all out either way.  I mixed it up a lot, going to Tartarus when I felt like it (and generally when I was in great condition), and buidling up my academics, charisma, and courage on the off nights.  A lot of people with the original would only go to Tartarus on the last night, but I don't really suggest that either.  I always figured if I did that there would be a good chance I'd get stuck without healing items or something like that.

In the end, it doesn't make a huge difference. The thing is that you want to have your academics, courage, and charisma hitting certain points by certain dates (more or less) in order to open up new social links and get good marks on exams (which nets you items I didn't use until the very very end of the game and probably could have gotten away without using them at all).  You also generally don't want to waste a lot of time during the day building up these stats, as that takes away from valuable social link time.

It still isnt a huge deal unless you want to try to max out as many S-links as you can (I didn't even come close) but for the last like 2-3 months of gametime I literally had nothing to do at night.  There was only one nighttime S-link in the version I have (I think there are two in FES), and after your stats are maxed and that s-link is maxed it's basically go to Tartarus or sleep.

It all evens out pretty well, since as you level up you tend to get tired less.  I was generally as far as I could go in Tartarus each month after 1-2 nights spent there.  Everything beyond that was basically just leveling up and building persona for fusing.   The difficulty level in Tartarus scales kind of weird in that at first it almost seemed like a tast to get to the top of the block, but soon it was pretty easy.  You will die a lot more than in most RPGs though, and I strongly suggest hoarding hommonculi.  Nothing worrse than grinding nine floors of Tartarus, getting a bunch of cool shit and personae and then all of a sudden loosing it all because of an instant death spell. 

Are you in the Velvet Room yet?

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Re: Persona 3 (Shin Megami Tensei)
« Reply #48 on: Sunday, May 25, 2008, 02:28:22 PM »
Are you in the Velvet Room yet?

Yeah, I just completed my first night into Tarturus and first day of being able to explore the school on my own (the day the boxing captain asks you to meet him at the police station).  I went into the Velvet Room after coming back from that day of school just to see what happened and Igor explained his purpose there with fusing the cards.

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Re: Persona 3 (Shin Megami Tensei)
« Reply #49 on: Sunday, May 25, 2008, 02:53:59 PM »
Awesome.  Elizabeth gives you requests/side missions.  Some of these (the only really important ones that can't be completed just by going through Tartarus as far as I'm concerned) are Persona fusing requests.  Use a FAQ, trust me. 

I actually didn't do any right until the end (I needed to in order to get a really badass persona I read about), and it worked out well that way, but you can get some pretty good persona through her requests. 

Talking about the game makes me really anxious for P4.

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Re: Persona 3 (Shin Megami Tensei)
« Reply #50 on: Wednesday, September 02, 2009, 07:29:01 PM »
So apparently Persona 3 is getting a PSP port.  There will be extra characters, you can play through as a girl, and you'll be able to control characters directly because it'll borrow the battle system from Persona 4.  There'll also be an extra super-epic-ultra-hard mode.

No idea about a US release, but it looks like it'll be hitting Japan in November.  I'm... kind of considering importing it.  I really did like the game, and it'll be easier to make time for it if I get the JPN version and have it help me study while I play.

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