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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #80 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 02:53:18 AM »
Well that is the function of every ad department. To make their product look as good as possible. And it would have been silly for them to put advertising on a website that officially didn't like its product.

If there is anyone to blame, it is Gamespot's parent company.

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« Reply #81 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 02:43:57 PM »
Y'know, maybe what a publishing company should do w/ these games, is say AFTER a game gets a glowing review from a company like GameSpot, start the advertising campaign all over their site.

It'd make logical sense, instead of doing the ad campaign before the game's actually reviewed.

I understand publishers wanna advertise their game over editorial sites like GameSpot BEFORE-hand to spread the word of the game, but really -- shouldn't they be plastering their before-hand ad campaigns over sites that will ONLY JUST SELL their game (and not review it) ? Like say Amazon? Gogamer??? EBGAMES? Wouldn't that be a better move, logically???

I'm sure Amazon gets WAY more hits than say GameSpot.


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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #82 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 02:58:06 PM »
You market a hot product before release, not after. I don't think Eidos did anything wrong by advertising on Gamespot, or removing that advertising.

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #83 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 04:27:18 PM »
You're right, Pug.  The problem with Eidos isn't their actions in this case, it's that they exist at all.  They are a horrible, horrible publisher that had one gem, a few shiny pebbles, and lots and lots of slurry.

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #84 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 06:12:01 PM »
Y'know, maybe what a publishing company should do w/ these games, is say AFTER a game gets a glowing review from a company like GameSpot, start the advertising campaign all over their site.

It'd make logical sense, instead of doing the ad campaign before the game's actually reviewed.

I understand publishers wanna advertise their game over editorial sites like GameSpot BEFORE-hand to spread the word of the game, but really -- shouldn't they be plastering their before-hand ad campaigns over sites that will ONLY JUST SELL their game (and not review it) ? Like say Amazon? Gogamer??? EBGAMES? Wouldn't that be a better move, logically???

I'm sure Amazon gets WAY more hits than say GameSpot.



Except that doesn't really make sense for anyone involved except the reader of the site.  Your game doesn't get a glowing review, but gets a 7.0, do you advertise nowhere at all?  It doesn't ease the pressure on reviewers or garuntee non-biased reviews at all, since there's now a direct pressure to rate a game higher so you'll get the advertising.  If anything it'll only make things work.

As for advertising on places like Amazon and Go gamer, sure some of the commerce sites get more hits, but in no way does that reflect the numbers of hits they get from the target market.  There's a reason large marketing pushes occur before a release of anything, and that's because the initial buzz and illusion of anticipation is something that drives a buyer.  It doesn't make business sense for anyone to change the way it works now.

Beyond that, it's not like publishers and developers don't have other ways to extort good reviews if they want.  The big sites are only big sites because of the relationships they've fostered and maintained with key players in the business.  Take that away and all you're left with are a collections of blogs...something that the video game industry is already over saturated with anyways.  Advertising is a necessity for these sites to exist.  The only other feasible option on a large scale is a completely subscriber driven system, but one with enough subscribers in order to ensure that the site maintains enough of a user base to stay relevant in the overall scheme of things so they can still get the scoops.

I've seen a lot of people basically dreaming of a world where advertising doesn't exist on these sites in response to this story, and it's kind of stupid.  If you're going to have completely unrealistic utopian dreams, why not wish for something bigger?


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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #86 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 08:56:01 PM »
This just in: Brett Todd apparently has the worst job in the entire universe.

You Are Empty looks so awful and worthless that I really want to try it.  That makes no sense, but it's the truth.

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #87 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 09:02:41 PM »
I think his job might be fun for a short time.  A friend an I used to have "Bad Movie Night Sundays."  We would go to Hollywood Video or Blockbuster and just find the worst piece of crap looking movie we could and then watch it.  Sometimes we'd watch two.  You haven't lived until you've seen Defcon 5 and Killjoy.  That last sentence was a lie.

Anyway, it was fun for about two months and about at that point we just felt like we were wasting money and torturing ourselves.  Through this though, we did get to see Peter Jackson's first film:  Bad Taste.  It was laughably bad, but in an on-purpose, fun way.

I read the review for You Are Empty too.  I liked the quote of the raving lunatic in the game.

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #88 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 09:08:44 PM »
Read the GSpot forums there.  It gets even funnier.

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #89 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 09:11:43 PM »
This just in: Brett Todd apparently has the worst job in the entire universe.

ROFLMAO!

Brett Todd's probably saying, "Why couldn't I get something at least half-way decent like Van Ord just got?" heh.

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You Are Empty looks so awful and worthless that I really want to try it.  That makes no sense, but it's the truth.
It makes sense. It's the whole "This train wreck is so bad, I want to see it" thing!
You know you should look away -- but dammit, it's a train wreck! You got to watch anyways!

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #90 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 09:14:36 PM »
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My mom said I can only pick 1 game for Christmas this year. I was thinking of this one since my cousin said i would like it. I did not read any reviews b/c I did not want spoilers so

WHAT DO YOU THINK? Also plz no spoilers thanks.

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You are empty, I wouldn't really recommend getting it. Chances are that you'll hate it. It depends on how tolerant you are. It's not like it's totally hideous and/or unplayable. But it's on the borderline.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #91 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 09:21:13 PM »
GameSpy's review of You Are Empty is pretty vicious, too...

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Pros 
It's sort of cheap at $29.99; you can expect that price to drop soon.
ROFL!

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Cons
Lame enemies; slowest walking ever; horrifyingly bad graphics.
Ouch.

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You Are Empty is symptomatic of the reasons why Atari is barely a game company anymore. Within minutes of booting this game up, we were asking ourselves the kinds of questions reserved only for the most heinous of gaming tragedies: when was this thing developed, 1973?

...

Flashy Animation

One good thing (and it's likely that this is the only good thing) about You Are Empty is the quality of the cut-scenes, which are rendered in an intriguing sort of Flash animation. Of course, these cutscenes are largely unintelligible and don't really explain much of what is supposed to be going on in the game, but they are beautiful in their stark use of black and white.

...

So now, we are left wondering what the point is of You Are Empty, because it certainly doesn't even rate as a modern game. Bereft of any sort of challenging AI and sporting a handful of weapons that all seem to have been dredged from some imaginary WWII shooter from the eighties, this game is the kind of thing you can expect to get for Christmas from a grandma that knows nothing about video games and relies on a shifty game store employee looking to move the non-sellers.

I got nothing.
I'll let the quotes speak for themselves...

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #92 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 09:24:41 PM »
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If this game were a Manson cult member, it would have "old-fashioned shooter" carved into its forehead.

Ok, there's a reason this guy gets stuck with the shit games.

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #93 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 09:40:44 PM »
IGN just zings at You Are Empty

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You Are Empty Review
We wish the game box had been empty.
by Charles Onyett

And, another one liner....from the score portion...

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1.0 -- Lasting Appeal
Not so much.

LOL @ no explanation needed for that.

From Worthplaying's review...
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Here, even with the characters flailing wildly with plenty of emotion, the lines sound as if the actors were simply phoning in their work. I haven't heard voice acting this bad since Resident Evil on the PS1, which at least had the cheese factor going for its dialogue. At one point, an NPC shot himself in the head ... while the actor was still talking.
ROFL!!!


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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #94 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 09:42:28 PM »
Those IGN quotes are pretty good.

I read the Gamespot review for Beowulf.  It's pretty funny too.

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« Reply #95 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 09:51:17 PM »
Those IGN quotes are pretty good.

I read the Gamespot review for Beowulf.  It's pretty funny too.

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The Good
Your thanes love you
LOL. That has to be the oddest "Good" from GameSpot I've ever heard....

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Except for one thing, or rather, thane. You see, any time you do anything remotely awesome, your thanes (your Norse entourage) will cheer you on with shouts of "Wow, did you see that?", "Whoa, look at Beowulf, he is so awesome!" and "My hero, look at him go! I am inspired!" Those aren't their exact words, but the sentiments are the same. Likewise, every one of them will whoop and holler every time you kick butt, and you average at least a butt kicked per second. As a result, combat is a matter of you chopping people up and stomping on them in glorious slow motion, while buckets of blood fly all over the screen, to an unending chorus of awe, affection, and gratitude. There are definitely worse experiences in video games.

....

And even though your thanes aren't particularly capable, they're still oddly entertaining.
Sounds like Beowulf's got an odd cheerleading squad w/ him....

I remember in Fable: TLC, it was always entertaining when people are just traveling along and say some of your fans watch you do stuff, they like worship and cheer you on sometimes; hehe.

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #96 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 11:09:41 PM »
I think his job might be fun for a short time.  A friend an I used to have "Bad Movie Night Sundays."  We would go to Hollywood Video or Blockbuster and just find the worst piece of crap looking movie we could and then watch it.  Sometimes we'd watch two.  You haven't lived until you've seen Defcon 5 and Killjoy.  That last sentence was a lie.

Anyway, it was fun for about two months and about at that point we just felt like we were wasting money and torturing ourselves.  Through this though, we did get to see Peter Jackson's first film:  Bad Taste.  It was laughably bad, but in an on-purpose, fun way.

I read the review for You Are Empty too.  I liked the quote of the raving lunatic in the game.

Ok, so I was in scouts and venturers.  From what I can tell, this isn't like it was on tv at all considering I don't know how to tie a knot, don't even think a badge program was in place, and basically was of the opinion that it was a group that subsidized young teens camping trips so they could get drunk and stoned in the woods for two weeks at a time.  Anyways, we'd have one of these nights every few months, and it was always money.

Please tell me you've seen classics like Chopping Mall and Killer Clowns from Outer-Space.

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #97 on: Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 11:11:30 PM »
I've seen the latter.  That was good times.

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #99 on: Wednesday, December 05, 2007, 05:18:25 PM »
Here's my question:  why does that guy look so weird.

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #100 on: Wednesday, December 05, 2007, 06:02:53 PM »
The one thing that always came to mind when watching a video review by Jeff Gerstmann is how homely the man is.  He must not be aware of how stupid his hair looks.

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #101 on: Wednesday, December 05, 2007, 10:40:54 PM »
haha I know. He looks like Chris Farley doing a skit, except Farley wasn't trying to look serious.

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #102 on: Thursday, December 06, 2007, 09:05:25 PM »
The most recent GFW Radio is really worth a listen.

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« Reply #103 on: Thursday, December 06, 2007, 09:08:15 PM »
The most recent GFW Radio is really worth a listen.

Word up to GFW for puttin' that shit down fo' real, son!
(the song)

EDIT:
I've listened to a good portion of the podcast -- wow, there is some really interesting and good stuff in there, too...
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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #104 on: Thursday, December 06, 2007, 11:43:27 PM »
I am glad I continued listening after the rap song. That is definitely worth a listen.

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« Reply #105 on: Friday, December 07, 2007, 12:40:20 AM »
I just finished... damn that was awesome. They even took a shot at PCG and their Hellgate London review, which was funny.

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« Reply #106 on: Friday, December 07, 2007, 02:54:52 PM »
I just finished... damn that was awesome. They even took a shot at PCG and their Hellgate London review, which was funny.

I'm sure Hellgate: London will be fine once it basically comes out of its Retail Alpha and Retail Beta stages... :P

Y'know, like some 10 months from now... :P


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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #107 on: Friday, December 07, 2007, 04:05:48 PM »
I'm listening to the MP3 right now.  These guys have their shit together.

Rap?  I skipped that in a hurry.  That slider moves, you know.

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« Reply #108 on: Friday, December 07, 2007, 06:39:14 PM »
I'm listening to the MP3 right now.  These guys have their shit together.
They do.
And we need to get our shit together -- and do another podcast!!!

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« Reply #109 on: Saturday, December 08, 2007, 01:28:14 AM »
Yeah, Shawn likes to do raps every once in a while. And he usually does a "Heroes of the Web" where he reads some insane forum post in a funny voice. It was kinda funny, but now its just old and played out. I tend to skip those segments.

But the rest of the time the GFW crew is always good for a listen.

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« Reply #110 on: Saturday, January 05, 2008, 03:46:31 PM »
After 8 years, Frank Provo who worked for GameSpot quits b/c of Gertsmann being fired & b/c ht doesn't like the environment anymore.

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Farewell, GameSpot
It's true, I'm no longer contributing to GameSpot.

I believe CNet management let Jeff go for all the wrong reasons. I believe CNet intends to soften the site's tone and push for higher scores to make advertisers happy.

I won't lie to people and tell them a game is good when it isn't. I won't downplay negatives that readers have a right to know about.

And so, the "Frank Provo era" at GameSpot ends after nearly 8 years of contributions. March 2000 through December 2007. It was a nice run.

I feel sorry for the GameSpot staff that have to continue to work there because they have no choice if they want to be able to pay bills and feed their families. For such upstanding people, the CNet overloads have created the ultimate soul-crushing work environment.

Category: Editorial

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #111 on: Saturday, January 05, 2008, 04:14:06 PM »
Sucks.  I think I'm going to cancel my subscription as well.  I like having videos to watch, but it really isn't worth the money.

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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #112 on: Saturday, January 05, 2008, 04:34:57 PM »
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The GameSpot staff did not fire Jeff. The GameSpot staff are NOT corrupt. GameSpot itself is NOT the problem. CNet is. CNet's management is. The problem lies with the puppet masters. Unfortunately, those masters have RUINED GameSpot's credibility and reputation... a reputation built up for more than a decade.
Comment on same gspot page

*Shudder*

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« Reply #113 on: Saturday, January 05, 2008, 04:42:40 PM »
I could imagine a GameSpot "spiritual successor" being built up by Jeff G and all those who leave G-Spot, if things keep going the way they are going here...

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« Reply #114 on: Saturday, January 05, 2008, 06:18:41 PM »
Sucks.  I think I'm going to cancel my subscription as well.  I like having videos to watch, but it really isn't worth the money.


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Re: Gerstmann fired?
« Reply #115 on: Saturday, January 05, 2008, 06:42:56 PM »
Heh, I don't actually like GT very much.  Their website never works right with my browser, and I find that I very frequently disagree with their reviews, more so than a lot of other sites.  They're pretty hypercritical about really stupid shit.  Some of the other video stuff is decent enough, though, and they have a less shitty user-submitted video thing.  And the more I think of it, the more I think what I get on GSpot these days video-wise usually doesn't cut it anyway and I end up looking for more stuff elsewhere.

Anyway, I canceled my subscription, so I'll have to get used to finding other sources.

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« Reply #116 on: Sunday, January 06, 2008, 01:44:03 PM »
Comment on same gspot page

*Shudder*
That's so true too.  Gamespot had a pretty good reputation and it tanked really fast.

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« Reply #118 on: Saturday, January 12, 2008, 02:12:48 PM »
Navarro!!??

Hey this means there are going to be some openings there. ;)

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« Reply #119 on: Saturday, January 12, 2008, 02:21:18 PM »
He was really the last guy there I actually liked.  I'm done with that place.  Unless they want to hire me to fill a position...

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