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I Hate Racism
« on: Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:37:14 PM »
As a black person its a big part of my life, but I just don't get how someone can hate another person on their skin alone. Last night I went to a bar and saw a group of friends and some guy tried to start shit with me just because I was talking to a white girl he knew. I talked to a few girls I knew and afterwards he would ask them "What was that!? Why are you talking to him!?". I swear to God I even heard him blurt out the word "nigger", he didn't call me that, but I think he knew that I was close enough to hear it. To make things worse, when I met him face to face he acted like he was my best friend.

I've been dealing with this my whole life, but I didn't do a single thing to this guy. I dunno, racism just blows my mind.

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #1 on: Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:53:55 PM »
Well if you are doubtful about him calling you that, maybe he didn't. Hopefully he didn't. But yea, hearing something like that can be crushing.

When something like that happens to me, I try to use logic to explain why I am being treated that way. If someone is being racist against me, and I can think of some logical reason why,  I guess it eases the pain.

That might sound like the "slave mentality", and it probably is, but it helps me think I am better than that person.

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #2 on: Sunday, December 30, 2007, 11:14:25 PM »
I can't really touch the topic, as I haven't ever been the target of racism. My best friend growing up (and currently) is black, and I  joke with him about it, but that's as far as it goes. I've never really understood racism, outside of the fact that it is a form of hate. It is so easy for us to group people into categories and persecute them because of it. It has been going on for ages.

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If someone is being racist against me, and I can think of some logical reason why,  I guess it eases the pain.

That might sound like the "slave mentality", and it probably is, but it helps me think I am better than that person.

Two things here:

 - There is never a logical reason for anyone to be racist. There may be differences based upon other factors, but anything based upon race is purely hatred.

- This is mostly based upon my own philosophy / upbringing, but thinking that you are better than anyone else is a terrible way of going about things. It breeds contempt, and rightly so. We are all of the same being, no?

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #3 on: Monday, December 31, 2007, 01:32:44 AM »
I find racist jokes extremely funny and am well known for my penchant to say very racist things among friends.  That said, when you actually see someone being totally racist it's like "what the fuck?!"

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #4 on: Monday, December 31, 2007, 03:12:53 AM »
I've been the target of racism pretty frequently since I've lived and gone to school and worked in and around various bad neighborhoods for a long time.  There are plenty of places I won't take Julia anymore given my experiences there.  There's never been any physical violence toward me or anything, but random shouts of "I hate you white boy" get old pretty quick, and a couple times when Julia and my sister have gone out together they've been accosted.  I don't let them go there anymore at night if I'm not around.

Anyway, I've never understood if there really and truly are people out there who just hate someone because their skin is different.  I can't imagine a less coherent reason.  It only seems logical to me that some people just clash so heavily with another culture that they start to pile assumed transgressions on people who they've never even seen before.  I mean... IS that what racism is, or is it really just an arbitrary hate that stems from practically nothing?  Because if it's simply an inability to live comfortably around other cultures, I'm probably as racist as you get.  But it doesn't really have to do with race.  I hate white guys that act like ghetto thugs just as much as I hate any ghetto black or mexican or asian thug.  And it isn't like I'm somehow afraid of things that I like which may have come out of a particular race or culture.  I love jazz, and a friggin' ton of the best stuff came from black artists.  It's black music.  So what?  I like a lot of weird asian shit too just because it happens to interest me, and it doesn't matter whether or not somebody can identify it as asian and associate me with it.  What do I care?  I've got nothing against people from either background.

So yeah, I've never quite known how to deal with racism.  I don't get it not just because it seems unfathomable, but because I can't really even make sense of what other people actually think it *is*.

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #5 on: Monday, December 31, 2007, 04:19:26 AM »
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There is never a logical reason for anyone to be racist. There may be differences based upon other factors, but anything based upon race is purely hatred.

No I know... but I try to come up with something that makes that person feel human to me or something.

I find racist jokes extremely funny and am well known for my penchant to say very racist things among friends.  That said, when you actually see someone being totally racist it's like "what the fuck?!"

You white bastard!

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #6 on: Monday, December 31, 2007, 04:42:15 PM »
The extra dynamic here is the competition for white girls by black men.  That's fairly recent, and the whole interracial thing has always been touchier than just being a minority alone.  There are places in the Southern US where fraternizing with white girls may be fatal for you even today.  Just be careful with these yahoos, man.

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #7 on: Monday, December 31, 2007, 08:28:42 PM »
Around here that's a load of shit, though.  The primary, number one reason all the black guys I've talked to want white girls is because their pubic hair isn't as coarse.  I can't tell you how many times I've watched a couple of black thugs troll for "snow bunnies" to fuck on the subway.  Drives me crazy.

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #8 on: Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:17:32 PM »
wtf

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #9 on: Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:35:33 PM »
As a black person its a big part of my life, but I just don't get how someone can hate another person on their skin alone. Last night I went to a bar and saw a group of friends and some guy tried to start shit with me just because I was talking to a white girl he knew. I talked to a few girls I knew and afterwards he would ask them "What was that!? Why are you talking to him!?". I swear to God I even heard him blurt out the word "nigger", he didn't call me that, but I think he knew that I was close enough to hear it. To make things worse, when I met him face to face he acted like he was my best friend.

I've been dealing with this my whole life, but I didn't do a single thing to this guy. I dunno, racism just blows my mind.

you're not black though right?
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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #10 on: Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:39:34 PM »
I'm pretty sure he's black.

And what is up with those slant-eyed bastards? Stealing our arithmetic skills and whatnot. Assholes.

I mean, uh...racism is bad.

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #11 on: Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:43:05 PM »
didn't he post pics before??
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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #12 on: Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:48:16 PM »
Yeah. I would search but I am lazy.

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday, January 01, 2008, 01:16:29 AM »
You didn't know I was black?

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday, January 01, 2008, 03:36:37 AM »
Seriously... you are black?

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday, January 01, 2008, 04:05:55 AM »
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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday, January 01, 2008, 04:49:19 AM »
I've been the target of racism pretty frequently since I've lived and gone to school and worked in and around various bad neighborhoods for a long time.  There are plenty of places I won't take Julia anymore given my experiences there.  There's never been any physical violence toward me or anything, but random shouts of "I hate you white boy" get old pretty quick, and a couple times when Julia and my sister have gone out together they've been accosted.  I don't let them go there anymore at night if I'm not around.

Anyway, I've never understood if there really and truly are people out there who just hate someone because their skin is different.  I can't imagine a less coherent reason.  It only seems logical to me that some people just clash so heavily with another culture that they start to pile assumed transgressions on people who they've never even seen before.  I mean... IS that what racism is, or is it really just an arbitrary hate that stems from practically nothing?  Because if it's simply an inability to live comfortably around other cultures, I'm probably as racist as you get.  But it doesn't really have to do with race.  I hate white guys that act like ghetto thugs just as much as I hate any ghetto black or mexican or asian thug.  And it isn't like I'm somehow afraid of things that I like which may have come out of a particular race or culture.  I love jazz, and a friggin' ton of the best stuff came from black artists.  It's black music.  So what?  I like a lot of weird asian shit too just because it happens to interest me, and it doesn't matter whether or not somebody can identify it as asian and associate me with it.  What do I care?  I've got nothing against people from either background.

So yeah, I've never quite known how to deal with racism.  I don't get it not just because it seems unfathomable, but because I can't really even make sense of what other people actually think it *is*.

Yea I really understand you and thats how I think of it. However I don't think its all that unfathomable to me, well sort of. Like I can believe it just because hate mongering is just so commonplace around the world, hate someone because of the clothes they wear - sure, hate someone because of the music they listen to - happens all the time, hate someone because of the color of their skin - its really no different than those other examples. Everybody loves categorizing people and labeling people no matter what the difference of detail is, it makes life easier. Why would we want to think everybody could be more intellectually better than you? We don't, so we just fit people in these little slots and brush them off, I think its just a defense mechanism we have to counter negative thoughts on oneself, so we project them on others. With some people they just take it to an extreme, and when you have people that have been living in the sticks for so long, the more the severe the prejudices will be. And that extreme is what I have a hard time fathoming.

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday, January 01, 2008, 12:16:25 PM »
I think my other post rambled too much.  I'm still in NY and it's hard to find enough time and quiet to formulate cohesive anything.  My general point is that there's people who will be just fine with you being black, until you put the moves on white women.  Then they'll hate you.  Just be aware of that in bars full of drunks, and then act according to your best judgment.

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday, January 01, 2008, 05:22:06 PM »
I think my other post rambled too much.  I'm still in NY and it's hard to find enough time and quiet to formulate cohesive anything.  My general point is that there's people who will be just fine with you being black, until you put the moves on white women.  Then they'll hate you.  Just be aware of that in bars full of drunks, and then act according to your best judgment.

Now that I think about it, everytime I have a problem at a bar its because I've talked to a white girl. I go to redneck bars a lot and maybe I should know better. Perhaps I'm doing it to subconsciously piss off rednecks...

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday, January 01, 2008, 06:42:43 PM »
When I went to UofC, a friend of mine swore that 90% of the time he got into any sort of altercation at a bar or club it stemmed from him paying attention to white girls.  He did not, however, handle it in anything resembling a reasonable manner, so who knows.

Interracial porn is pretty popular, but I guess some guys just hate the thought of white chicks and black guys getting it on.

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday, January 01, 2008, 06:55:44 PM »
When I went to UofC, a friend of mine swore that 90% of the time he got into any sort of altercation at a bar or club it stemmed from him paying attention to white girls.  He did not, however, handle it in anything resembling a reasonable manner, so who knows.

Interracial porn is pretty popular, but I guess some guys just hate the thought of white chicks and black guys getting it on.

You'd be surprised how many white guys want me to have sex with their girlfriends simply because I'm black (and sexy!). Its about the same amount as the white guys who want to kill me for talking to white girls.

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday, January 01, 2008, 09:53:35 PM »
You didn't know I was black?

not from the pics I remember seeing... 

anyway.. doesn't really matter. 

Racism... I get it a lot too.. it's either cause of my skin color, sex, and sometimes age.  It's frustrating but it's understandable in a way because people know so little about who they really are. 
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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday, January 02, 2008, 08:26:33 AM »
Any kind of unfounded discrimination is bullcrap.

SOmetimes it's inevitable to run into some ignorant mofo who just won't learn. I generally avoid violence, but when I run into a racist, sexist, political groupist or whatever I take as an opportunity to learn and educate either with my tongue or my fists.

Incidentally I have just decided to write a script for a 'Chuck Norris meets Jet Li" movie.

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« Reply #23 on: Wednesday, January 02, 2008, 09:16:56 AM »
haha... imagine if someone writes a script for a movie starring those two which is just a period piece in the romantic era, and directed by Ang Lee.

Chuck: "More tea Jet?"

Jet Li: "Yes please."

And then you market that movie as some awesome kung fu flick, just to create maximum disappointment. :P

I'd do it if I had the massive funds for this great practical joke. I'd place secret cameras recording the angry reactions and the outrage in the audience. Then I'd watch that footage every night, laughing till I fall asleep.


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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #24 on: Thursday, January 03, 2008, 05:22:46 PM »
I met Chuck Norris years ago, and although he's a really cool guy, he's nowhere near the level of action heroism as Jean-Claude Van Dame or Steven "I'm Mother Fucking Crazy" Segal.  Seriously, watch 'Marked for Death'.  He shatters like 17 arms in about 2 min, pops a guy's eyes out, breaks his back over his knee Batman style, and then throws him down an elevator shaft...just to be sure.

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« Reply #25 on: Friday, January 04, 2008, 11:21:20 AM »
I met Chuck Norris years ago, and although he's a really cool guy, he's nowhere near the level of action heroism as Jean-Claude Van Dame or Steven "I'm Mother Fucking Crazy" Segal.  Seriously, watch 'Marked for Death'.  He shatters like 17 arms in about 2 min, pops a guy's eyes out, breaks his back over his knee Batman style, and then throws him down an elevator shaft...just to be sure.
Haha Segal is intensely maniacal when it comes to overkill :P

Van Damme is often trying to save some long-lost twin brother or something, so he's gotten a little stale.

Chuck Norris has the "Chuck Norris Facts" which add to his character, such as "When Chuck Norris does push-ups, he doesn't push himself up he pushes the Earth down." ;D

Wow, we've really strayed from the original topic :P

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #26 on: Friday, January 04, 2008, 11:48:20 AM »
I hate the whole Macho "violence solves everything" race.  Segal, Norris and Van Damme are subhuman apes.  There.  We're back on track.

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #27 on: Friday, January 04, 2008, 02:27:46 PM »
I hate the whole Macho "violence solves everything" race.  Segal, Norris and Van Damme are subhuman apes.  There.  We're back on track.
Haha thanks Cobra ;D

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #28 on: Friday, January 04, 2008, 09:02:26 PM »
Weren't those things originally Vin Diesel's gig, though, then people just started putting in Chuck Norris instead?  I'm pretty sure that's how it went.  I remember suffering through periods of WoW chat where people would do nothing but stand around spouting that Chuck Norris crap all day.  Ugh.

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #29 on: Friday, January 04, 2008, 11:05:21 PM »
Let's all blame Conan O Brien.

These are people who don't get a rats ass about Norris, because he hasn't done anything massively notable, even on a B movie level, that his peers haven't done more of. But basically because it became a trend, everyone started to chime in like stupid dumbasses.

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Re: I Hate Racism
« Reply #30 on: Sunday, January 06, 2008, 10:19:27 PM »
Let's all blame Conan O Brien.
Haha.  I loved that lever!