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Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Very vicious 1Up review of a D- added
« on: Monday, April 14, 2008, 01:55:35 PM »
So, Gothic 3 will expand, but we do not know who's developing it...

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Gothic 3 Expansion Announced [April 14, 2008, 10:20 am ET] - Viewing Comments
JoWooD announces Gothic 3 – Forsaken Gods, an expansion for the RPG sequel due by the end of this year that will bridge the gap between Gothic 3 and Gothic 4. Gothic 3 was developed by Pluto 13/Piranha Bytes and Gothic 4 is being developed by Spellbound Entertainment, but the developer of this expansion is not clear from the announcement:

    "Liezen, Austria, April 14th 2008; JoWooD Productions announces the official Add-On for the award winning roleplaying game Gothic 3. Gothic 3 – Forsaken Gods will answer many open questions and guarantee a seamless step to Gothic 4. Once more you take on the role of the nameless Hero and again you have to raise your sword in anger to save the world of Gothic. On your journey you will meet old friends – but be careful, some old alliances may not have lasted the test of time….

    JoWood is working on the expansion and the feedback from fans is extremely important to the developer of Gothic 3 - Forsaken Gods. The game designer and developer are studying the Gothic message boards each day and will incorporate as many of the fan-wishes as possible while working on the extension.

    The release of Gothic 3 - Forsaken Gods is planned for Q4 2008. Further information will follow soon!

We knew before the fallout w/ Pluto 13 AKA Piranha Bytes and JoWood, that Pluto 13 was working on a G3 Expansion. Then, the fallout b/t the two companies happened (Jowood and Pluto 13) b/c of the lack of patches Pluto 13 released, so since JoWood acquired the Gothic IP rights, JoWood picked Spellbound to start work on Gothic 4. Then, JoWood had Spellbound work on fixing/patching Gothic 3 right along w/ the G3-Community that was working on fixing stuff for G3.

So, who's working on this G3 Expansion?
We'll just have to wait and find out, I guess...

« Last Edit: Sunday, January 04, 2009, 04:09:47 PM by MysterD »

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Re: Gothic 3: Foresaken Gods Expansion Announced
« Reply #1 on: Monday, April 14, 2008, 02:07:47 PM »
More importantly, does anyone care?

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Re: Gothic 3: Foresaken Gods Expansion Announced
« Reply #2 on: Monday, April 14, 2008, 03:15:41 PM »
I really can't believe after all the negative criticism Gothic 3 was slapped with (namely to due tremendous amounts of bugs and performance issues), there's going to be an expansion -- especially around 2 years after G3 was originally dropped.

And especially w/ Gothic 4 being worked on already...

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Re: Gothic 3: Foresaken Gods Expansion Announced
« Reply #3 on: Monday, April 14, 2008, 03:45:46 PM »
Makes no sense to me either.  I can't believe they're bothering with a 4th.  The series had a strong start, but after 2 I was very much done with this series.  3 didn't interest me in the least.

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Re: Gothic 3: Foresaken Gods Expansion Announced
« Reply #4 on: Monday, April 14, 2008, 04:07:23 PM »
Makes no sense to me either.
If they are trying to get forgiveness from fans of Gothic by releasing Gothic 3 Expansion, they probably won't get any with an expansion. Fans still want their original G3 game fixed more than it was. Gothic 3 (Original) still is a mess that is still being patched by the G3-Community and Spellbound, as we speak -- the load times still are not good, the in-game performance is still all over the place (but better than it was before), and there's probably still a good deal of more bugs to iron out.

And JoWood is now wanting fans to pay for an expansion to what is an already broken game?

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I can't believe they're bothering with a 4th.
I can understand making a 4th game, since they are getting someone new to make it. And since there are still fans of the series.

I hope Spellbound does a good job w/ it, myself -- and doesn't have too huge of a scope like Pluto 13 did w/ Gothic 3. I think G3 is too big for its own good, since it was released obviously way to early out the gate.

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The series had a strong start, but after 2 I was very much done with this series.  3 didn't interest me in the least.
Gothic 1 was great, no doubt about it -- had an interesting story, premise, and everything.

Gothic 2 was good, but lacked the intrigue of the original. Plus, a lot of the flaws of the original were even way more obvious, this time around; since they were fixed.

Gothic 3 is just still mess that still needs to fixed w/ some more patches...There's a good RPG to be had, under that mess...but, they need to fix that mess, first.

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods Expansion Announced
« Reply #5 on: Friday, May 16, 2008, 08:11:49 PM »
This is an excerpt from the new Gothic 4: Arcania preview on GameSpot.

I put it here b/c it mentions the upcoming G3: Forsaken Gods expansion due out later this year.


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Dreamcatcher will release a Gothic 3 expansion later this year. Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods will bridge the gap between the end of Gothic 3 and the beginning of Arcadia, offering 20-25 hours of new gameplay.
Well, adding 20-25 hours worth of new content sounds good for an RPG expansion.

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Of course, Forsaken Gods is being extensively bug-tested so you should be able to play through seamlessly without experience any of the crippling errors found in Gothic 3.
Hopefully, this expansion will also fix lots and lots of G3's still-existing bugs and issues -- which is what is being mentioned here. I'll believe it when I see it, myself.

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods Expansion THREAD
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 01:43:20 PM »
New G3: Forsaken Gods preview w/ screenies

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Gothic 3 Expansion Pack Screenshots
Jun 18, 2008 at 12:18 PM - Andrew Burnes - 2 Comments

"A vivid world, intoxicating new quests and the gloomy Gothic atmosphere invite fans to spend hours playing this exciting new chapter in the epic and popular RPG series," says the press release.

    Two Years after the phenomenal success of Gothic 3, this new episode offers a new glimpse into the amazing world of Gothic. Forsaken Gods includes new quests, new monsters and many of the old friends whom gamers around the world got to know in previous episodes. Gothic 3 - Forsaken Gods will answer all the questions which have risen in the past and will slowly introduce the fans to a new chapter...

    Features

  # Lively and interactive environment which reacts to the player's actions, creating a very intense and realistic atmosphere
  # Improved graphics quality thanks to updated engine technology
  # Enhanced user interface
  # 15-20 intense hours of gameplay
  # Improved combat system with new combat rules
  # Plenty of new weapons, armour, monsters and quests

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods Expansion THREAD
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 06:01:48 PM »
So it's Oblivion with dinosaurs and extra bugs?  No thanks.

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods Expansion THREAD
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 07:14:08 PM »
So it's Oblivion with dinosaurs and extra bugs?  No thanks.

Probably would lean more towards the "Extra bugs" part...

(I hope I'm wrong...)

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods Expansion THREAD
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 02:02:46 PM »
We finally know who's working on G3: Forsaken Gods.
Trine Game Studios is developing it, who also is working on the next Guild game.

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Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods - Developer Revealed
by Gorath, 17:01:11

JoWooD used the start of the Games Convention in Leipzig to reveal the developer responsible for Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods. It´s the Indian company Trine Game Studios. They´re also working on the next The Guild product.

G3: Forsaken Gods will be a stand-alone add-on based on Gothic 3 technology. The story is written by Spellbound to ensure a smooth transition to Gothic 4.

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods (Expansion) THREAD -- GOLDEN, expect it Nov 21st
« Reply #11 on: Monday, November 10, 2008, 03:01:30 PM »
why

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods (Expansion) THREAD -- GOLDEN, expect it Nov 21st
« Reply #12 on: Monday, November 10, 2008, 03:45:31 PM »
why

B/c JoWood is trying to make money off the franchise still.

Supposedly, the story for G3: Forsaken Gods is the complete explanation for how and why The Nameless Hero turns basically into the King and villain for the upcoming Arcania: A Gothic Tale (Gothic 4).

I dunno, but Gothic 3 (Vanilla) still needs some fixing -- namely quicker load times and stopping the stuttering issue would help, first and foremost; more so than anything. Fixing questing bugs and other bugs would also help matters, too -- they've already stomped a lot of those bugs out already, but there's still plenty more that needs stomping.




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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods (Expansion) THREAD -- GOLDEN, expect it Nov 21st
« Reply #13 on: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:39:01 AM »
Patch #1 released for G3: Forsaken Gods
Patch #1 released already for Gothic 3: FG (stand-alone expansion), which just came out recently.

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The first update for the addon fixes following issues:

* 1. Potential main-quest blockers removed
* 2. Graphical and performance related improvements (incl. system stabilization)
* 3. Texts and voice-overs completed and enlarged
* 4. Several gamplay elements were improved

EDIT:
Reviews
Gamestar of Germany gives it a 71% -- review is in German language.
« Last Edit: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 04:37:10 PM by MysterD »

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Patch #1 released already
« Reply #14 on: Monday, November 24, 2008, 01:10:29 AM »
B/c JoWood is trying to make money off the franchise still.

Supposedly, the story for G3: Forsaken Gods is the complete explanation for how and why The Nameless Hero turns basically into the King and villain for the upcoming Arcania: A Gothic Tale (Gothic 4).

I dunno, but Gothic 3 (Vanilla) still needs some fixing -- namely quicker load times and stopping the stuttering issue would help, first and foremost; more so than anything. Fixing questing bugs and other bugs would also help matters, too -- they've already stomped a lot of those bugs out already, but there's still plenty more that needs stomping.





Sorry I wasn't listening. Can you say that again?

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Patch #1 released already
« Reply #15 on: Monday, November 24, 2008, 02:42:57 PM »
Sorry I wasn't listening. Can you say that again?

We're still waiting on (Community/Spellbound) Patch 1.7 for Gothic 3 (Vanilla) -- which was announced like months ago, which would add more fixes, issue stomping, and whatnot.

G3: Forsaken Gods is the last story as The Nameless Hero, since it is about him taking over and becoming King.

In Gothic 4, Nameless Hero is the main villain of Gothic 4. You will play as some other new hero in that.


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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Patch #1 released already
« Reply #16 on: Monday, December 01, 2008, 02:21:17 AM »
Jowood Apologizes To Fans For Unsatisfactory Gothic 3 Expansion!

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"Forsaken Gods is full of bugs, just as the main game was." This sentence is a direct quote from a German press release distributed by Gothic 3 publisher, Jowood.

"Fans are complaining about the poor quality of the game and JoWooD felt that it's time to release a statement in this regard:
First of all we want to thank the community for showing their support and we also want to thank those who have chosen to buy the game. Unfortunatey, it wasn't possible for us to release a game that could fully satisfy you, for different reasons. The game was released this year because that was what we and the community desired."

"JoWooD and Trine have worked under a lot of pressure, and to repair some of the mistakes we released the game with a patch, hoping to make it better. Michael Kairat, Executive Producer of JoWooD said: We are now getting the full 'bill' from the community for our mistakes. JoWooD Productions would like to present their apologies to the fans for releasing an unsatisfying game."

"Furthermore Michael Kairat explained that in the next days a new patch will be released which will improve the quality of the game. It will be available for download on JoWooD's Official Website. We also want to make a content patch which will include opinions, suggestions and wishes from the community. After the feedback from the community, we will release a statement regarding the patch. Toghether with Spellbound we will make early beta tests for Arcania: A Gothic Tale, to be sure that past mistakes will not be repeated."

"JoWooD admits their mistake, and will prevent it from happening again, says Michael Kairat on behalf of the entire team."

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Patch #1 released already
« Reply #17 on: Monday, December 01, 2008, 02:19:08 PM »
Xessive, that's even more reason for me to wait until it gets much cheaper. :P

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Patch #1 released already
« Reply #18 on: Monday, December 01, 2008, 03:03:44 PM »
Xessive, that's even more reason for me to wait until it gets much cheaper. :P

There's always a good reason to wait ;)

I respect that they came out, admitted their mistake and apologized. Not many publishers/developers would have.

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Patch #1 released already
« Reply #19 on: Monday, December 01, 2008, 03:21:45 PM »
There's always a good reason to wait ;)
Amen.

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I respect that they came out, admitted their mistake and apologized. Not many publishers/developers would have.
I agree on that...

But after with issues galore with Gothic 3 (Vanilla), now this again with G3: Forsaken?
They just got to stop releasing stuff that really ain't ready.

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Patch #1 released already
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 03:42:19 PM »
JoWood says G3: Forsaken Gods will be patched before the end of 2008
 

Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods has been Patched up to Version 1.07 now.

WARNING #1: If you have G3: Forsaken installed and have saves already, it is highly recommended to reinstall G3: Forsaken and then apply the new Patch 1.07.

WARNING #2: Patch 1.06 saves (or lower) DON'T work with new Patch 1.07 b/c of the overhaul to the engine and assortment of new changes and fixes made into the new version.

You can get the 102 MB patch here


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Gothic 3 - Forsaken Gods 107 Patchlog:


QUESTS AND ENVIRONMENT

- Cannot find "Paladin General" for completing Lee quest Fixed
- Milten leaves the summoner's cave; Nobody in Vengard throne room after kiling the beast. Fixed
- The pranksters are fighting each-other. Fixed
- The ork warriors from Cape Dun have their bodies doubled Fixed
- Urbanus artifact quest Fixed
- Orc camp appears only after Inog gives you the quest Fixed
- Menu disappears when roasting meat Fixed
- Paladin Helmet is still present in game Fixed
- Theodor Sack of wheat blocker Fixed
- Milten remain blocked in the woods Fixed
- Floating box in Vengard Fixed
- Floating oil lamps in Vengard Fixed
- Theo's chest is properly placed Fixed
- Ogit leaves Montera Fixed
- Erthag and Ogit are walking trough the walls of a building. Fixed
- Hard coded english strings -now in the string table. Fixed
- Duplicate models removed Fixed
- Army of Gotha fighting among themselves. Fixed
- Erhag and Urbanus start fighting with each other Fixed
- NPCs fighting with each other during Hamlars escort mission Fixed

GENERAL

- Fixed Focus Names over 90%
- Text issues resolved over 90%
- German VO issues resolved over 90%
- NPC's in a group will not fight each other


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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Patch 1.07 released; old saves don't work
« Reply #22 on: Sunday, January 04, 2009, 04:09:14 PM »
1Up gives it a D-, in this VERY vicious review from Eric Neigher.

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The only reason that this didn't get an "F" is the original music, which is very nice. Not excellent, mind you, but very nice -- and the lone thing I latched on to for sanity while trying to review the otherwise completely putrescent Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods.
Ouch.

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For those unfamiliar with Gothic 3 -- for which Forsaken Gods is a standalone expansion, -- it's a third-person RPG with a look and feel similar to Ultima IX. Yeah, Ultima IX. I intentionally chose a game from nearly 10 years ago because that's just how outdated Gothic 3's engine feels. By and large, what you're getting here is a very been-done, over-the-shoulder fantasy-RPG. If you liked the original Gothic 3, you'll probably dig this expansion. But let's be honest: Nobody intelligent enough to read this far into my review would have enjoyed Gothic 3. I'm just keeping it real, people.
The bugs and technical issues galore keep me from finishing G3. There's a good game to be had, if they could sort that junk out.


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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Very vicious 1Up review of a D- added
« Reply #23 on: Monday, January 05, 2009, 10:11:32 AM »
Hehe that was harsh :P and probably deserved considering the formal apology from JoWood earlier.

I'm not overly optimistic but I am hopeful that Gothic 4 (or Arcadia: A Gothic Tale) sates the fans of the Gothic universe.

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Very vicious 1Up review of a D- added
« Reply #24 on: Monday, January 05, 2009, 05:59:48 PM »
What is it with JoWood anyway?  They just have the worst track record, don't they?  I remember I played Silent Storm.  I liked the game, but wow was it buggy.  About 20 hours in, my main character would keel over and die for no reason on the same turn.  I even loaded a save prior to the mission in question and it still happened.

When I went to get support, I found basically they have no technical support.  All they have is community support and the "tech support" forum for Silent Storm consisted of like three posts, after I posted mine.  And the prior one was posted more than six months earlier.  I never did get a response...

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Very vicious 1Up review of a D- added
« Reply #25 on: Monday, January 05, 2009, 08:46:03 PM »
Yeah that game was kind of buggy, but it was damn fun. I thoroughly enjoyed it. It went pretty far under the radar, if I remember correctly.

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Very vicious 1Up review of a D- added
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday, January 06, 2009, 04:53:58 AM »
I don't know what it is but they definitely suck at the support end. With Gothic (all of the Gothic games) I could find better support boards in German, so I had my cousin help me out since he is German, but it was still community support not official tech support.

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Very vicious 1Up review of a D- added
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday, January 06, 2009, 07:22:59 AM »
What the fuck is this?

D, your the responsible one, explain all this to me please.

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Very vicious 1Up review of a D- added
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday, January 06, 2009, 02:52:46 PM »
JoWood is just not very good at releasing stable games and not good with their technical support -- never really has been, in the past. You can look at the track record of most of the games they have published, either the developers have done most of the patching (many times WAY after the fact -- i.e. see Arx Fatalis), Jowood wants the developing company to do a huge patch and it winds up never released (i.e. Gothic 3), and/or the game community takes over to fix the issues (i.e. Gothic 3 again).

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Very vicious 1Up review of a D- added
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday, January 06, 2009, 03:05:53 PM »
Neighbours from Hell was fun.

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Re: Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods -- Update: Very vicious 1Up review of a D- added
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday, January 06, 2009, 05:59:20 PM »
Haha, I remember that game.  Sort of a low-budget classic.

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