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Re: I am back to post a crazy story.
« Reply #1 on: Friday, August 01, 2008, 08:27:08 AM »
I read about that last night.  Of all the horrible news in the world daily, it's the only story that has managed to upset me through the night in years.  It reads like a Halloween story.

So, who is this animal.  No one seems to be saying.

Edit:  They do give the name in that story.  That's new.

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Re: I am back to post a crazy story.
« Reply #2 on: Friday, August 01, 2008, 08:37:47 AM »
Yeah, that's messed up... the ride between edmonton and winnipeg is boring as shit, but DAMN... not THAT boring
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« Reply #3 on: Friday, August 01, 2008, 09:02:16 AM »
I want to know what this guy's story is.  You know your average civilized dude would never even conceive of something like that.  What mongrel is this, and where does he hail from?  Are there any more at home like him?

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Re: I am back to post a crazy story.
« Reply #4 on: Friday, August 01, 2008, 09:24:09 AM »
Crazy, but I fail to see how it's so much different from any other nutjob with a knife.  It's sad that these people exist, but they do.  Who knows why, who knows what sets them off and gets them to fly off the handle, but sociopaths and the violently insane are a real part of the world, like it or not.  Obviously this guy was a pretty bad case, as even your average nut doesn't go sawing people's heads off, but still.

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« Reply #5 on: Friday, August 01, 2008, 05:29:36 PM »
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Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day called Thursday's incident horrific and said his heart goes to the family of the victim. However, he played down the possibility of enacting tough security measures in Canada's bus terminals, similar to what exists in airports.

"People should always be open to looking at precautionary measures. But let's keep in mind that as bizarre and tragic as this is, it is extremely rare," Mr. Day said.

He also dismissed talk by some opposition MPs of a "knife registry," saying that millions of them are bought each year simply for kitchen use. He added that there are already provisions in the Criminal Code against crimes and assaults.

Speaking at a Conservative Party caucus meeting, Mr. Day said he does not want to jeopardize the investigation, but added he wants to see the killer "convicted in court."
How come officials in the US are never this sane?

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Re: I am back to post a crazy story.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday, August 02, 2008, 10:41:31 AM »
I've been reading about this... crazy stuff indeed.

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« Reply #7 on: Saturday, August 02, 2008, 11:24:36 AM »
Crazy, but I fail to see how it's so much different from any other nutjob with a knife.  It's sad that these people exist, but they do.  Who knows why, who knows what sets them off and gets them to fly off the handle, but sociopaths and the violently insane are a real part of the world, like it or not.  Obviously this guy was a pretty bad case, as even your average nut doesn't go sawing people's heads off, but still.

Not average at all.  Your average nutjob with a knife gets violent when he gets threatened, more so if drunk.  He doesn't butcher someone sleeping on a bus and then cut his head off.  A sociopath still loves something--himself.  He wouldn't throw his life away by performing some ritual bloody sacrifice inside a metal box full of witnesses.  This guy is something else, something new to me.  Unless those 2 knew each other beforehand, and shared one hell of an interesting story, even insanity seems like insufficient explanation.

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Re: I am back to post a crazy story.
« Reply #8 on: Saturday, August 02, 2008, 03:38:22 PM »
Move to the bay area, then we'll talk.

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« Reply #9 on: Saturday, August 02, 2008, 05:57:04 PM »
Haha!  :D

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« Reply #10 on: Sunday, August 03, 2008, 06:55:37 AM »
Wow, this story is whack.

Psychotic perhaps?

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« Reply #11 on: Sunday, August 03, 2008, 02:52:14 PM »
Did I tell you my story from visiting the Bay area earlier this year?

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« Reply #12 on: Monday, August 04, 2008, 12:17:48 AM »
Well, I guess this story belongs in this thread:

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An evangelical preacher killed his wife several years ago and stuffed her body in a freezer after she caught him abusing their daughter, according to police and court documents. He faces charges including murder, rape, sodomy, sexual abuse and incest.

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The case began Monday, when the daughter, now 19, went to the Mobile Police Department's Child Advocacy Center and reported that she had been sexually abused by Hopkins since she was 11 years old, according to an affidavit filed in support of a search warrant of the preacher's home in Mobile. The affidavit related the daughter's story as follows:

[The daughter's] mother, Arletha Hopkins, 36, caught her father abusing [the daughter] in a bathroom in November 2004. Afterward, her parents argued, and her mother locked her father out of the house. The father came to the daughter's window and asked her to let him in, and she did so. The next morning, her father asked her to help him hide her mother's body in the freezer in the laundry room of the home. The girl said she moved out of the home about two weeks ago and was living with a neighbor. She told police that her mother's body was still in the freezer. When authorities went to the home, no one was there, as Hopkins and the other children were at the church. A body was found in the freezer, the affidavit says.

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An investigation has not found any record of Arletha Hopkins' existence since 2004, according to the affidavit. Asked how long police think the body had been in the freezer, Garrett said, "I'm thinking that she's probably been there for a number of years."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/31/preacher.freezer/index.html

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Re: I am back to post a crazy story.
« Reply #13 on: Monday, August 04, 2008, 03:51:17 AM »
That's a pretty F'd up one too.

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« Reply #14 on: Monday, August 04, 2008, 11:36:52 AM »
Yes it is.  But that one does make sense from a sociopath's perspective. 

I read the headline earlier, but never got the details.  Good short-term plan.  Long term never entered his head, I guess.

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« Reply #15 on: Monday, August 04, 2008, 08:42:01 PM »
It makes you wonder if the guy just "snapped" all of a sudden or if there were warning signs. Usually with these sorts of things there are pretty clear signs that the guy is nuts before hand and no one does a damned thing because they don't want to get involved.

What a way to go...

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« Reply #16 on: Monday, August 04, 2008, 10:03:08 PM »
It makes you wonder if the guy just "snapped" all of a sudden or if there were warning signs.
Since you didn't read the article, here were the warning signs:
  • He was a fundamentalist preacher.
  • His wife had eight children, of whom six were his biological offspring.
  • All eight children were homeschooled.
  • He molested at least one daughter for years before and after the murder.

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« Reply #17 on: Monday, August 04, 2008, 11:25:11 PM »
Since you didn't read the article, here were the warning signs:
  • He was a fundamentalist preacher.
  • His wife had eight children, of whom six were his biological offspring.
  • All eight children were homeschooled.
  • He molested at least one daughter for years before and after the murder.

I think he's talking about the guy on the bus.

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Re: I am back to post a crazy story.
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday, August 05, 2008, 01:39:17 AM »
What Ghandi says is not for you to decide.

It's for me to decide.

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« Reply #19 on: Tuesday, August 05, 2008, 10:36:52 AM »
I think he's talking about the guy on the bus.

Me too.  But it's not up to me to decide.

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« Reply #21 on: Wednesday, August 06, 2008, 11:00:01 PM »
Jesus, they tried to do the same thing with the Pickton killings.  People who like animals support the Humane Society or the SPCA.  People who are fucking idiots support PETA.

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« Reply #22 on: Wednesday, August 06, 2008, 11:08:36 PM »
PETA are fooked in the head! Do they acknowledge that animals kill other animals to eat too?

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« Reply #23 on: Thursday, August 07, 2008, 12:34:45 AM »
Don't argue with PETA:

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An animal’s inability to understand and adhere to our rules is as irrelevant as a child’s or as that of a person with a severe developmental disability. Animals are not always able to choose to change their behaviors, but adult human beings have the intelligence and ability to choose between behaviors that hurt others and behaviors that do not hurt others. When given the choice, it makes sense to choose compassion.

No, don't think about it, just remember that if they could the pigs would eat you....same for the retards. Don't think about it too much - PETA are a bunch of attention seeking borderline extremist clowns. I find the best thing is to just go on not caring.


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« Reply #24 on: Thursday, August 07, 2008, 12:49:37 AM »
Well, they aren't really wrong.  I mean, if you've ever actually seen what goes into getting meat on your plate, you were probably disgusted.  If you can watch a documentary on slaughterhouses and then go eat a steak, you're one calloused bastard.  But we're carnivores, and we live on a fucked up planet.  Death to sustain life is the law, whether that be the death of an animal or the death of a plant.

Personally, I'd enjoy it if I could stop eating animals.  I can eat steak all day long and never think about it, but it does bother me to actually watch people kill what they eat, and if I've seen something alive first, there's pretty much no way I can wrap my head around consuming it later.  But ultimately I don't think I'd last very long without a pulled pork sandwich or hamburger, you know?  There are very few things in this life that consistently give me pleasure and are simultaneously easy to obtain.  Good food is one of them.

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« Reply #25 on: Thursday, August 07, 2008, 05:20:16 AM »
I agree that some places mistreat animals and they need to be put to justice. PETA takes it too far! It's like one person gets his head beat in with a hammer so all tools have to be illegal?

I am for the ethical treatment of animals but I'm against blind extremism.

I guess by their logic we can argue that plants are living things that should not be killed and eaten for sustenance. "But they're not sentient man!" Just because you can can't sense their sentience doesn't mean they aren't.
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« Reply #26 on: Thursday, August 07, 2008, 01:42:39 PM »
Interesting direction the thread has taken.

I often feel out of place because of my relative indifference to animals.  I'm all for compassion, but the life or even the well-being of human beings is much more important to me than the life or well being of any number of animals.  I understand we need to protect the ecosystem, because of its impact on humanity, so we can't drive entire species into extinction.  There's a movie I saw recently, though I had seen it before: Something the Lord Made.  It tells the story of a black medical technician who was key to pioneering efforts in heart surgery.  It pretty much sums up how I see animals in general.  When it comes to improving the human condition, they are merely tools.  They don't have faces or souls.  They get no more mindshare than a bunsen burner.

Food is no different.  We breed animals for food and other goods.  Those who don't like it are free to abstain from their consumption.  They are not free to prevent me from doing so.  I think it's a sin for a dog to get so much better treatment than so many needy people.  Yet I don't go around throwing alley trash on poodles in the park.  We need to respect each other's differences, something PETA doesn't recognize.  Their tactics don't belong in a free society.

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« Reply #27 on: Thursday, August 07, 2008, 05:45:39 PM »
I can't agree with you.  I sort of hate a lot of people, and the older I get, the more likely I am on a day to day basis to think of them as bugs and dismiss them entirely.  This is also due to my job and some of the awful people I work with, which I guess is a bad thing... but what to do?  I generally agree with you in principle, because obviously people are more important when you get down to it, but I find it a hard thing to put into practice when I see people live without any concern for anything around them.  I'm infuriated every day by people who live life with no regard to anyone but themselves.  Even I, who hate most of them, will still treat them with respect more often than not because that's the way one should live, and these people, who would absolutely fall over and die if their precious social lives were ever compromised, who need other people in every way to survive because they're worthless and utterly reliant on everyone else for everything, have the audacity to be so self-absorbed they won't even think twice about making other people uncomfortable if it means they can remain comfortable, about using people they view as peers for their own ends, about destroying the environment just because it's easier than taking steps to prevent it (and being lazy never gets in the way of convenience, that hateful fucking thing).

So yeah, it's hard for me to really share your view on a deeper level.  I hear what you're saying, and you're probably more right than I am, since there's no way somebody that's lost faith as bad as I have could possibly be right, and I'm probably just becoming more and more pissy and awful the older I get... but that's why it's hard for me to side with people.  I really don't agree with PETA either, but there's also something about their extremism that sometimes makes me smile a bitter little smile inside.  And while it wouldn't be because I'm angry about them eating meat, there are times when I would dearly love to pelt people with meat products or dump buckets of pig's blood on their heads.

That said, I naturally do gravitate toward animals.  I've developed relationships with them, and when you spend a lot of time doing that, it's hard to ignore how human they can be.  I can't possibly abide by people in other countries eating dogs, not only because the slaughterhouses are disgusting and the meat spreads a lot of disease which ultimately just contributes to the mortality rates of poor people who eat that kind of thing, but because the conditions are ridiculously cruel, and I've been close to many dogs and felt love from them.  Sympathy, at times.  Friendship.  You can't tell me that it's right to harvest them as food for any reason, and if anyone ever says that in front of me antagonistically, I will punch them in the face.  I'll break their nose and be happy about it.

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« Reply #28 on: Thursday, August 07, 2008, 06:39:51 PM »
How come officials in the US are never this sane?

Stockwell Day is NOT sane. He's a motherfucker of the 1st order. He's also one of two people who have the power to sign orders sending permanent residents and landed immigrants to what has been called by Amnesty International as "Guantanamo Bay North"

not that it has any bearing on this thread, but Day is a giant fucking douchebag conservative lapdog.
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« Reply #29 on: Thursday, August 07, 2008, 10:21:11 PM »
I think he's talking about the guy on the bus.

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« Reply #30 on: Thursday, August 07, 2008, 11:12:41 PM »
Incidentally, the two of you are now legally married in the state of California. I may have had something to do with this.

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« Reply #31 on: Thursday, August 07, 2008, 11:31:39 PM »
Woah woah woah, does that now make me an American Citizen?  Because your economy is kind of at a low point and it would be a great time to get into some long term real estate investments and possibly short term flipping in affluent areas on the West Coast.  The capital isn't a problem and there's no way I wouldn't be approved to do so, the issue is a.) A possible reopening of NAFTA and changes to chapter 11 and foreign investment of domestic land rules and b.) getting hit with capital asset taxes from two different governments yearly and capital transfer taxes twice on a sale.  Becoming an American through homosexual marriage would kind of solve the second problem and the first problem isn't really an issue since it's basically the same thing as putting a bullet through the head of the lame horse that is the American real estate market and it'd be a silly thing to do.


Edit: And veal is fucking delicious.  I've seen how they treat those things and fuck em, they die for more purpose than most living things.

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« Reply #32 on: Friday, August 08, 2008, 01:02:22 AM »
Woah woah woah, does that now make me an American Citizen? 
No. Consult the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment.

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« Reply #33 on: Friday, August 08, 2008, 04:24:48 AM »
Don't argue with PETA:
No shit.


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(I don't know if this has anything to do with PETA, strictly speaking.)

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« Reply #34 on: Saturday, August 09, 2008, 06:35:54 PM »
No. Consult the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment.

Perhaps, but it would afford him an easy pass to become one, although he'd have to wait two years, and Ghandi would have the right to nullify the proceedings and deport him back to Canada if he failed to consummate the Marriage.

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« Reply #35 on: Saturday, August 09, 2008, 08:54:13 PM »
Just think of the power that I would have over him....
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