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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 04:04:25 PM »
Ultimately, I think its one year lead paid off. It was enough for them to sell better despite the RRODs. I guess those suits do know what they are doing sometimes. That, and the optional harddrive made a lot of business sense.

I read somewhere that the Arcade 360s made MS a lot of money, and that the harddrive itself gained MS nothing monetarily. And MS not banking on a mandatory HD-DVD drive was a good move as well. Look at the fact that Sony actually won the format war, yet so far have benefited little. Apparently the vast majority of movies are still being sold on DVDs, with focus group members stating they can't see the benefits of Blu-Ray on LCDs smaller than 50''.

Anyway, I still say the differences between the two consoles aren't massive, what with so few exclusives so far this gen. I still want the PS3 for the Blu-ray though.

As for performance, I've read on numerous gamespot articles that the PS3 versions of cross platform titles seem to have the most issues. Two games I can think of are The Orange Box, and GTA4.

One thing is for sure. The next generation of consoles are going to be a lot more conservative. According to articles I've read, that quoted analysts and insiders, both Sony and MS agree that they went overboard in trying to outdo each other and suffered in their own ways.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 04:28:57 PM »
One thing is for sure. The next generation of consoles are going to be a lot more conservative. According to articles I've read, that quoted analysts and insiders, both Sony and MS agree that they went overboard in trying to outdo each other and suffered in their own ways.

Translation: We saw Nintendo do jack shit and make billions. We gotta get into that business.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #42 on: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 04:31:04 PM »
I don't disagree, K.  I hope you don't mistake my tone... I know I can sound like I'm attacking people when I get like this.  What I'm attacking is the automatic assumption *most* people have that the 360 is just plain the system you buy, why even consider a PS3?  That may be true for some folks, but I think there are a number of reasons the PS3 may well be the system of choice for some, even those who may only own a single console.  Most of the cross platform stuff is fine, barring a few earlier titles where developers didn't know what they were doing, and the exclusives are okay.  Maybe not astounding, but in an era with this many games, how much does that even matter?  Gears 2 certainly isn't going to sway me to the 360 side.  That's a game that is amazingly unimportant, no matter how much it grosses, much like Halo.  I'm not saying it's a lousy game, I'm just saying as a gamer who's shot about 9 trillion aliens in my lifetime, how much do I really care?  Valkyria Chronicles, on the other hand, is very different from most of the games I play.  And I'm seeing more potential for games like that on PS3 in the future.  With limited money to spend, my hopes are resting more on that machine for future games because I need the games I buy to be something beyond average most of the time, now, or I can't even justify the expense.  I know there are good exclusives on 360 too, but I have higher hopes for those hitting the PS3.

As for games my 360 doesn't like... the two biggest are Viva Pinata and VP2.  The 2nd one is unplayable, and unfortunately I haven't been able to determine if it's my 360 or the game because I don't know anyone with a 360 that I can test it on.  Eternal Sonata has crashed on startup a number of times, and I had some trouble with The Darkness crashing several times.  Granted, this may all be my machine and not the games... but what difference does that make to me?  Lots of other people had the same problems with the other games, so VP2 is the only one I seem to be alone on.  Unfortunately, since my wife and I almost never use the 360 anymore since getting the PS3, there hasn't been anything I've wanted to play on it to test it further, and I don't have the time to sit around arbitrarily testing games for hours just to see if they maybe crash.

And Sy speaks the truth.  I was a really big fan of Nintendo for a long time, but they've completely let me down, and I'm very afraid of what the next generation could look like if more people try to jump on that bandwagon.  We could be in for thin years indeed.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 07:22:19 AM »
I just read this on Megagames about the X360.. I did not know about this:

Microsoft Knew About Xbox 360 Disc Scratching Before Launch
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Microsoft is currently facing several lawsuits claiming that Xbox 360's DVD drive causes damage and scratches to inserted discs when moved. The company's position got weaker today as court documents revealed that it already knew about the problem well before the console's launch.

"When we first discovered the problem in September or October (2005), when we got a first report of disc movement, we knew this is what's causing the problem," Microsoft program manager Hiroo Umeno told the court. Xbox 360 was released a month or 2 later, in November 2008.

Microsoft's testing revealed that when the console is tilted, discs inside become "unchucked" and collide with the drive's pickup unit, causing damage and scratches.

Microsoft's engineers considered three solutions. The first solution was decreasing the drive's reading speed, but it was refused because it would increase game loading time. The second solution was also dismissed because it interfered with the drive's opening and closing mechanism. The third solution, installing small bumpers, was technically alright, but it was too expensive. It would have cost between $35 million and $75 million, and thus it was refused.

Instead, Microsoft opted to adding the following section the product's manual: "Remove discs before moving the console or tilting it between the horizontal and vertical positions." Another warning was also affixed to the Xbox 360's disc drive later.

Microsoft also initiated an Xbox 360 disc replacement program that sends out new discs to customers if their discs are damaged for any reason. The program only applies to Microsoft titles and costs $20 per disc.

An internal Microsoft email, quoted in court, revealed that Microsoft's employee considered those actions to be insufficient.

It seems the more I look into the 360 the more problems I find, serious problems.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 07:48:46 AM »
This just means they can get sued more successfully for their shenanigans, and I welcome that.  The problem itself has long been known, and assuming you know not to move the console while the disc is spinning, you will either have the problem from the first day, or you won't have it at all.  I don't have it at all, with this console or the one it replaced.  The real problem (as opposed to user error) is fairly rare, and the best suggestion I've read is to test the drive with a cheap DVD-R backup of something when you first set up the unit.  No scratches?  You're good for the duration.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #45 on: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 09:03:57 AM »
I don't disagree, K.  I hope you don't mistake my tone... I know I can sound like I'm attacking people when I get like this.  What I'm attacking is the automatic assumption *most* people have that the 360 is just plain the system you buy, why even consider a PS3?  That may be true for some folks, but I think there are a number of reasons the PS3 may well be the system of choice for some, even those who may only own a single console.  Most of the cross platform stuff is fine, barring a few earlier titles where developers didn't know what they were doing, and the exclusives are okay.  Maybe not astounding, but in an era with this many games, how much does that even matter?  Gears 2 certainly isn't going to sway me to the 360 side.  That's a game that is amazingly unimportant, no matter how much it grosses, much like Halo.  I'm not saying it's a lousy game, I'm just saying as a gamer who's shot about 9 trillion aliens in my lifetime, how much do I really care?  Valkyria Chronicles, on the other hand, is very different from most of the games I play.  And I'm seeing more potential for games like that on PS3 in the future.  With limited money to spend, my hopes are resting more on that machine for future games because I need the games I buy to be something beyond average most of the time, now, or I can't even justify the expense.  I know there are good exclusives on 360 too, but I have higher hopes for those hitting the PS3.

As for games my 360 doesn't like... the two biggest are Viva Pinata and VP2.  The 2nd one is unplayable, and unfortunately I haven't been able to determine if it's my 360 or the game because I don't know anyone with a 360 that I can test it on.  Eternal Sonata has crashed on startup a number of times, and I had some trouble with The Darkness crashing several times.  Granted, this may all be my machine and not the games... but what difference does that make to me?  Lots of other people had the same problems with the other games, so VP2 is the only one I seem to be alone on.  Unfortunately, since my wife and I almost never use the 360 anymore since getting the PS3, there hasn't been anything I've wanted to play on it to test it further, and I don't have the time to sit around arbitrarily testing games for hours just to see if they maybe crash.

And Sy speaks the truth.  I was a really big fan of Nintendo for a long time, but they've completely let me down, and I'm very afraid of what the next generation could look like if more people try to jump on that bandwagon.  We could be in for thin years indeed.

Why does it bother you that most people assume that the 360 is the system to buy? What confuses me is that you care so much. You know you represent a small percentage of gamers that prefer the PS3 and know the reason most flock to the 360. Yet you still seem to scorn those that choose to pick Microsoft.

Recently I just feel these boards continue towards a trend of utter disgust for the gaming industry. Darker days are always on the horizon if not upon us now seems to be the outlook. As the market continues to move more and more console centric we all moan and bitch about paying for DLC, then on the PC side its nothing but DRM bitching, bitch about games being too short, bitch about devs bitching about the market change. Some of us still fabricate glory days like they dont exist anymore. Its odd because we seem so stuck in this PC gaming facade yet we all own most consoles but dont realize it. There were alot of bad ideas we used to bitch about that never came to fruition. Episodic content never really worked, but its seemingly turning out well for small dev teams for outlets like XBLA. As Im understanding it right now, Guitar Hero and Rock Band are breaking even, swaying from the accessory craze that seemed to be blooming. DLC is still working out its problems, but I think whats helping this the most and what most of us are failing to comprehend is that gamers arent as stupid as we like to keep pointing out. Ultimately they will pay what they think is worth paying for, and a lot of DLC bullshit has been subverted. Nintendo seems to be my concern, but I honestly think that gimmicks and shovelware wont last them forever.

I just wanted to remind everyone that we arent the only ones with brains amongst the consumer mass, and what doom you may think will blanket the industry forever is just a perception we may choose to keep living under.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #46 on: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 10:53:11 AM »
Well, I think scorn may be a wee bit of a strong word here. I actually have felt Que's scorn a few times (Splinter Cell, Halo 1, Global Warming haha just kidding), but I think he is just trying to express why he finds the PS3 to be the piece of puzzle that fits perfectly for him.

I actually love my Falcon chipped 360. But that's because I know it isn't likely to RROD, is stock equipped with the HDMI, the nice HD drive etc. I can imagine that if I was worried about my 360 crapping out any second, I'd be pretty disenchanted with it. And if you compare the original 360 with the original PS3, you can see that the PS3 did a lot more things right, straight out of the box. It didn't need as much "accessorizing". I am thankful that my falcon 360 is a more polished piece of hardware than its earlier iteration.

Speaking of things just "feeling right", I can liken it to my experience of changing from being an avid ATi user to an Nvidia user. Having owned flagship ATi products, I was never truly comfortable with all of them. In between the inconsistent drivers and the overheating, even the best ATi products never felt as "right" as my 8800GTX does. Even today, I would choose a more expensive and slightly slower Nvidia product, if I had to.

But back to the 360. I just want to say that even though the PS3's online service is free, Xbox live does blow it away, from what I tried at a friend's place with L4D. I realize a lot of people like Que don't care for Xbox Live, nor do they really care about blockbusters like GoW 2, but to most people that stuff is important, and that's why the 360 sells more. Also, while the PS3 feels like a more complete piece of hardware, the optional upgrades on the 360 allow MS to sell cheaper "core/arcade" packages, that make the system more enticing for the average joe.

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I know there are good exclusives on 360 too, but I have higher hopes for those hitting the PS3.

Can you tell me of any upcoming titles that I can look forward to on the PS3? I am interested because I need an excuse to watch TDK on Blu-Ray.

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Technically it's a vastly superior machine.  Sony worked very hard to attempt to make it as futureproof as possible.  However, when your game library consists of maybe 8 exclusives worth playing (3-4 of those really worth owning) you start to run into some problems.  Concessions were made to lower the 360 price to get it to market.  Sony took the other tactic and left these features in at a premium.  Ultimately people are going to go where the games are.  The Xbox and Gamecube were both superior to the PS2, yet the PS2 sold in droves because the games were there.

Excellent post, that covers my sentiments on the subject as well.
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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #47 on: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 06:15:47 PM »
Translation: We saw Nintendo do jack shit and make billions. We gotta get into that business.
I can't agree with that statement.  Sure, the Wii has lesser graphical horsepower, but I'm sure Nintendo spent a pretty penny on R&D for the motion controls.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #48 on: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 06:18:07 PM »
I just read this on Megagames about the X360.. I did not know about this:

Microsoft Knew About Xbox 360 Disc Scratching Before Launch
It seems the more I look into the 360 the more problems I find, serious problems.
This was the same problem the PS2 had.  It is because of the gyroscopic forces that are created when the disc spins.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #49 on: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 07:35:21 PM »
This was the same problem the PS2 had.  It is because of the gyroscopic forces that are created when the disc spins.
Is it a problem inherent in tray or flip-up door drives? As oppose to slip-pockets like PS3 and Macs.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #50 on: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 07:37:23 PM »
I can't agree with that statement.  Sure, the Wii has lesser graphical horsepower, but I'm sure Nintendo spent a pretty penny on R&D for the motion controls.

Oh yeah, they totally did. Metroid Prime proves that the motion controls were great and that the system was still capable of pulling off some great visuals. However, have they done much since the first year? Not really. All they've done this year is make the balance for WiiFit and rereleased Animal Crossing (and maybe Mario Kart if that came out this year). On the outset, it felt they had had some genuine gaming intentions with the system. After a year or two, however, it was like they realized that they didn't need to do that in order to keep generating a massive cash flow and stopped caring altogether.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #51 on: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 07:47:06 PM »
Is it a problem inherent in tray or flip-up door drives? As oppose to slip-pockets like PS3 and Macs.
I'm not sure.  Basically when the disc is spinning, it wants to keep spinning on the same plane.  So as you tilt the console(s), the disc does not remain parallel to the tray and makes contact with the hardware.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #52 on: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 07:58:12 PM »
I can't say for sure, but I'd imagine this would mainly be a problem with sliding trays.  On flip doors I'd think gravity would work as a placeholder and there wouldn't be the extra variance combined with lack of room to actually allow the disc to hit anything. With a sliding tray, it doesn't actually get locked down most of the time, and with cases like the PS2 it's designed to be able to hold the disc in multiple orientations, which necessitates more of a 'tight indentation' on the tray itself.   Also, rental stickers and shit could easily cause this to happen by unbalancing the disc.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #53 on: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 08:12:47 PM »
Pyro, your post is remarkably well reasoned.  I appreciate it, and you're probably very right in a lot of ways.

However, my thing about the PS3 is that... well, this is a post about the PS3 tanking and Sony taking losses on the PS3, and I think a lot of that is because of the misconception (and yes, I still think it ultimately is a misconception) that the 360 is the better machine.  It isn't.  In fact, for all the reasons I've already stated, it could be considered much, much worse.  The PS3 has some other issues, some of which K-Man has pointed out, but all that does is level the playing field IMO, not give ground to Microsoft.  Yet it's this general current of consumers in the sea of the mass market that do nothing but further the idea that the 360 is the console to own, and not based on anything real, just based on the usual ebb and flow of what's popular.  And I think that sucks.  A sizable portion of the people who would proclaim the 360 to be superior probably don't even buy enough games to take advantage of the bigger library, as they'd probably find just as much to like on the PS3 within their limits.

I just take offense at things that are accepted as fact or nearly so when that isn't the truth.  It offends me.  Does it matter why?  I'm not really pro-Sony.  I was very outspoken about my displeasure with them for a long while after the PS3 had been out.  And while I'm not at all a fan of Microsoft, I own a lot of Microsoft products and use them, and I generally only complain about them when they explode in my face.  In the case of the 360, mine hasn't even outright failed yet, but that by no means negates how completely and utterly bungled the fucking thing was.  Have they ironed it all out by now?  I guess they've taken strides, but the fact that my coworker just recently had to go in for his fifth unit isn't particularly convincing.  The one that just failed wasn't long ago at all, and he hadn't had it very long.

Though I have to say, your general faith in the average gamer isn't something I share.  I do agree that our viewpoints might be overly dismal at times, and sometimes we probably take our naysaying a little too far, but I'm sorry, there's a world full of morons out there and they have a lot of money to spend.  And that's turned into a lot of sophomoric drivel that's sold by the truckloads.  And it really can't be helped.  We used to be a small industry full of creativity because there was little risk and not nearly as much money, but now budgets are huge, crowds are huge, and everyone has a shirt to lose.  We wanted games to get respect and be treated better, and now that's happened.  Unfortunately, the price of acceptance is often popularity.  But we shouldn't be so negative, like you say, because for all the bad, it really isn't like the good has decreased.  It's probably increased right along with everything else.  Maybe the ratios are different, but what does that matter to us?  We still have more good games than we could conceivably play in real life without retiring and having endless money to spend.  And all the DRM shit will probably find some way to work itself out in the future, for good or ill.

It all goes back to ideology.  There are some things that just seem, for lack of a better term, morally wrong.  Restrictive DRM goes against what a lot of us feel is proper business conduct (not to mention some of it has wandered into realms of palpably questionable legality).  Maybe we do beat the dead horse a little, but nothing good ever comes from rolling over and letting someone have their way with you.  A fight's a fight, and as sick to death as I am of talking about DRM, there are times when it bears talking about.

As for Pug: well, there's God of War 3, and that's a poor example being it's pretty much a mass-market muscle-fest.  But for some reason I just like those games.  The epicness just isn't matched by most others, however bullheaded the concept.  White Knight Chronicles still looks like something special and different.  Demon's Souls is gorgeous looking, and could be a nice Diablo-style diversion.  Flower has tons of potential.  Crash Commando has potential too.  Bayonetta looks goofy and awesome all at once.  Heavy Rain is one I'm eager to see more on, despite how infuriated I was with Quantic Dream after Fahrenheit (or Indigo Prophecy).  Infamous sounded interesting.  There are a few others I'm forgetting, and there's of course the next project from Team ICO which will likely be a must-buy for me, whatever it is.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #54 on: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 11:47:48 PM »
You know why I won't buy a 360 for a long time? Because they break...a lot.  I mean, they might have fixed it and I might get the new version, but then again it's not like Microsoft never have problems diagnosing and fixing problems.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #55 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 12:20:25 AM »
It's a cheap-ass consumer product.  It was rushed to market for strategic reasons.  (Not like MS was hurting for money at the time and just had to get it out.)  It had a serious design flaw and a slew of more minor flaws.  They suffered the consequences, as did those of us who bought it.  They also reaped the benefits of their bold moves, as did those of us who bought it.  They're fixing it for free when it breaks from their big mistake, and they're still revising it to make it cheaper and more reliable.  It has the lion's share of the hardcore gamers, and hands down the best online stuff.

Did I miss anything?

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #56 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 12:30:47 AM »
Well we'd better all agree on one system soon. Because we all know what will happen if we don't....

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #57 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 12:34:49 AM »
Did I miss anything?

Dear god there are so many snarky comments I want to post right now.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #58 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 12:57:31 AM »
It's a cheap-ass consumer product.  It was rushed to market for strategic reasons.  (Not like MS was hurting for money at the time and just had to get it out.)  It had a serious design flaw and a slew of more minor flaws.  They suffered the consequences, as did those of us who bought it.  They also reaped the benefits of their bold moves, as did those of us who bought it.  They're fixing it for free when it breaks from their big mistake, and they're still revising it to make it cheaper and more reliable.  It has the lion's share of the hardcore gamers, and hands down the best online stuff.

Did I miss anything?



I..I was just saying why I'm not going to buy one for a long time.  Everyone else can feel free to make their own decisions.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #59 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 12:59:53 AM »
Dear god there are so many snarky comments I want to post right now.

You can't imply your way out of that one.  Fire away.

Edit:  I'm not defending anything, by the way.  It's more like puzzlement about the fanboy-like conversations we've been engaged in lately.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #60 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 01:02:07 AM »
Oh snap!  It is on!!

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #61 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 01:15:14 AM »
No no, you can't encourage me like that.  I'm trying to be a better person, and it isn't going so well as I'd like.

Though you're right, it does sort of smack of fanboyism.  I wish I could find better ways to say things.  It isn't that I'm an Impulse or PS3 fanboy, I just personally prefer both to Steam and the 360, and it bugs me because it's "common knowledge" that the 360 and Steam are the best things ever and omg everything else sucks.  And that gets so bloody irritating after a while.

Not to imply that's what's been said here, mind you.  But the internet is full of amazingly stupid people, as idol will tell you.  He and I see more than our fair share, and that can occasionally get the ire up.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #62 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 01:26:53 AM »
It's not just you.  If it were, there would be no heated debate.  We all form opinions based on our experiences.  But up to now, we have been above taking personal umbrage (there's my word of the day) at others' conflicting opinions on game hardware.  This is something new here (certainly not new on the internet as a whole).  What has changed I wonder.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #63 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 01:42:15 AM »
The only reason that I'm arguing for the PS3 is because I invested $350 into it. And now I feel like I have to stand by my investment.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #64 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 01:55:54 AM »
I don't have a current console, but really the PS2 and Persona 4 is all anyone needs.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #65 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 02:03:30 AM »
The only reason that I'm arguing for the PS3 is because I invested $350 into it. And now I feel like I have to stand by my investment.

Yeah, well, I could say the same thing about my console + 24 games investment.  I understand that it doesn't feel very good to have your expenditure dismissed as foolish.  But we have always been mature here about diversity of opinion in the past.  Was it just because we all shared the PC as the main gaming platform, while consoles were merely secondary diversions?  That would be depressing.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #66 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 02:10:39 AM »
Yeah, well, I could say the same thing about my console + 24 games investment.  I understand that it doesn't feel very good to have your expenditure dismissed as foolish.  But we have always been mature here about diversity of opinion in the past.  Was it just because we all shared the PC as the main gaming platform, while consoles were merely secondary diversions?  That would be depressing.

Well my (sarcastic) point was that you can't really dismiss either expenditure as foolish. It's not an "us vs them" or a "one vs the other" type of mentality. They can mutually exist. It's OK.

Edit: Clarified

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #67 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 02:38:45 AM »
OK, sarcasm.  Too subtle or I'm too obtuse at this hour.  Yeah, that's my take on it as well.  I thought it was everyone's take.  The arguments that fly in the face of it are what I'm puzzled about.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #68 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 03:03:21 AM »
Us: Fuck you, PS triple 4eva!
Us: No Halo for you!

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #69 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 06:57:20 AM »
I think Cobra's got the right idea.. Fook this I'm going back into emulation! (Since I don't have my old consoles anymore.. except my Saturn).

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #70 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 08:55:37 AM »
Here's my basic opinion on the ps3 and 360

PS3:  Most powerful, most potential, but Sony has dropped the ball

360:  Best online framework, less powerful, but Microsoft has definitely made the most of their investment.

Ultimately I want all the consoles to succeed.  Nothing good will come of putting anyone out of business.  I just think Sony needs to get their head out of their ass and stop thinking that people will buy their product on name recognition alone.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #71 on: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 06:44:21 PM »
I'd just like to add that regardless of the merit (or lack of merit) of this thread, the word "umbrage" doesn't get half the regular use it deserves.  Unless you read old books that smell funny, like I do.  In fact, I think I read it just yesterday when I was reading some Sherlock Holmes.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #72 on: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 05:50:05 AM »
Bayonetta looks goofy and awesome all at once.  

Que might like this part, since I know he's into music big time.

Bayonetta is going to have a massive soundtrack -- A FIVE CD soundtrack.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #73 on: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 08:34:41 AM »
What the fuck does that have to do with this old, dead thread?  It's not related to the subject line.  It's not related to the substantive debate for the last page and a half.  Why do you do this?

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #74 on: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 09:08:40 AM »
Getting back on topic.  It's amazing how a redesign can create such a frenzy.  I think Sony is smart to start marketing this thing as a jack of all trades.  I just wish they could pull everything together as well as the 360 has.  The feature set is still so disjointed.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #75 on: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 07:27:41 PM »
What the fuck does that have to do with this old, dead thread?  It's not related to the subject line.  It's not related to the substantive debate for the last page and a half.  Why do you do this?

I guess I should've created a new thread for Bayonetta then for my little piece of news.
Too late now, I guess...

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #76 on: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 11:03:58 AM »
Sorry.  Lousy mood when I posted that.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #77 on: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 01:31:58 PM »
Sorry.  Lousy mood when I posted that.
Apology accepted.

Despite your vicious-ness, you're still right though. I still should've started a Bayonetta thread, since we don't have one already and all -- and since I ain't got much to really say on the topic on-hand.

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #78 on: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 07:55:04 PM »
Getting back on topic.  It's amazing how a redesign can create such a frenzy.  I think Sony is smart to start marketing this thing as a jack of all trades.  I just wish they could pull everything together as well as the 360 has.  The feature set is still so disjointed.

Now, if they could only improve their online service. For that to happen though, they have to get new people on board. People experienced with designing operating systems, interfaces etc helps. 

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Re: CNNMoney.com,"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"
« Reply #79 on: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 07:58:10 PM »
Now, if they could only improve their online service. For that to happen though, they have to get new people on board. People experienced with designing operating systems, interfaces etc helps. 

Say what you want about Microsoft's hardware, they've fucking NAILED the software portion of it.