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I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« on: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 03:12:30 PM »
10x your normal strength enabling exosuit?

http://www.dailytech.com/HAL+Mech+Suit+Hits+Production+To+Increase+Human+Strength+Tenfold/article14822.htm

It isn't a joke. It is all over the news. Awesome stuff:



They say this is just the beginning. In ten years, these things will be less bulky, more mobile, and even more powerful.

God bless Japan.

I heard they are working on a giant raping tentacle monster next.

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #1 on: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 03:49:41 PM »
Wow! Think of the application man!

Soon kids with muscular dystrophy may have the chance to run around play like other kids! People with muscular issues will have the ability to get stuff done!

And supersoldiers may become a reality.

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #2 on: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 05:25:38 PM »
Well it looks like some governments have already placed large orders to aid their disaster relief teams.

They just need to make jet packs a reality, and refine both that and this, and we may very well be ready for the alien invasion. 

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #3 on: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 05:41:47 PM »
Well it looks like some governments have already placed large orders to aid their disaster relief teams.

They just need to make jet packs a reality, and refine both that and this, and we may very well be ready for the alien invasion. 
Dude, this could make some of our favourite childhood cartoons plausible! hehe

Next step Heavy Gear!

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #4 on: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 06:56:20 PM »
There was an article a few weeks ago about Honda making something similar. You put on this exoskeleton thing which let you lift much more weight. It was intended to keep factory workers working into old age in an attempt to unfuck Japan's demographic problem.

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #5 on: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 08:26:12 PM »
I've never understood the concept of how this would work.  I mean, how does the suit offer aid if it doesn't know what to do?  Your brain doesn't say "arms go forward" to the suit directly, so how does it interpret your movement and then render aid?

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #6 on: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 08:41:13 PM »
I've never understood the concept of how this would work.  I mean, how does the suit offer aid if it doesn't know what to do?  Your brain doesn't say "arms go forward" to the suit directly, so how does it interpret your movement and then render aid?
I think you move and it supports your movement rather than act on its own. It's not a neuro-enhancer, so it doesn't attach to your nervous system, it's all physics and leverage.

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #7 on: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 11:23:44 PM »
Yeah, I just don't understand how that works.  How does something mobile like that understand where to apply force to help you do something?  Or did I totally glance over the article way too fast and it isn't powered or motorized in any way and it's more like a brace or something?

Meh.  I don't get it.  And I'm too tired to really read the article at this point.

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #8 on: Monday, April 13, 2009, 01:06:24 AM »
Like Xessive said, I think it has to do with physics. The strength is coming from the mechanics or something. If I were Japanese, I'd understand better.

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #9 on: Monday, April 13, 2009, 01:52:35 PM »
It's a machine that gets its inputs from your movements.  Its job is to mimic the input with amplified strength.  It's a simple concept.  The implementation details scare the hell out of me.  A bug or malfunction might turn you into hamburger.

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #10 on: Monday, April 13, 2009, 05:18:48 PM »
It's a machine that gets its inputs from your movements.  Its job is to mimic the input with amplified strength.  It's a simple concept.  The implementation details scare the hell out of me.  A bug or malfunction might turn you into hamburger.
Oh God, imagine if it rotates the other way! "Woah, my elbows don't bend tha--AAAAARGHH!!"

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #11 on: Monday, April 13, 2009, 05:25:36 PM »
Oh God, imagine if it rotates the other way! "Woah, my elbows don't bend tha--AAAAARGHH!!"

hahaha! either way, this thing's awesome. can't wait to see what the next generations of this tech end up looking like. once i make my millions, i'm so buying one.

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #12 on: Monday, April 13, 2009, 05:49:00 PM »
But I don't understand that.  If you're lifting something really fucking heavy, say, and the machine needs input from your movement in order to power and do anything, wouldn't that mean the movement would need begin under your own power?  And if you can't lift something, how the hell is this thing going to help if it never gets that initial impulse that says "lift"?

天才的な閃きと平均以下のテクニックやな。 課長有野

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #13 on: Monday, April 13, 2009, 06:10:14 PM »
But I don't understand that.  If you're lifting something really fucking heavy, say, and the machine needs input from your movement in order to power and do anything, wouldn't that mean the movement would need begin under your own power?  And if you can't lift something, how the hell is this thing going to help if it never gets that initial impulse that says "lift"?
Think of how a pulley can make something easier to lift; it doesn't enhance your strength it just redirects the force to the angle so you require less effort.

I'm sure the nextgen stuff will look sleeker. Jetpacks would be an awesome addition :D Before we know it Iron Man can be real!

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #14 on: Monday, April 13, 2009, 06:24:15 PM »
Sure, I get that, but... this is nothing like a pulley, and the angles are the same angles your body uses.

I should really just give up and go read the article, shouldn't I?

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #15 on: Monday, April 13, 2009, 06:30:34 PM »
Sure, I get that, but... this is nothing like a pulley, and the angles are the same angles your body uses.

I should really just give up and go read the article, shouldn't I?
Haha might help :P

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #16 on: Monday, April 13, 2009, 09:41:48 PM »
Sure, I get that, but... this is nothing like a pulley, and the angles are the same angles your body uses.

I should really just give up and go read the article, shouldn't I?

When you push the gas pedal in your car, you're not really moving the car forward with your foot either.  :)

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #17 on: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:50:05 PM »
But the gas pedal doesn't weigh 500 pounds.

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 12:30:28 AM »
From what I read, it just boosts where the strength comes from or something... like the hip motion. I am not sure... when you read the thing explain it to us Que.

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:30:35 AM »
But the gas pedal doesn't weigh 500 pounds.

There must be a way to sense pressure applied by the human being in all directions, like the gas pedal senses pressure from your foot.  That's what I was trying to get at.

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 05:20:56 PM »
There must, I just can't understand how that would work, again, when lifting something heavy.

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 06:04:46 PM »
There must, I just can't understand how that would work, again, when lifting something heavy.
The suit takes the pressure, you just control it. Think of as a framework around your body. Kinda like the loading mecha in Alien, I know it's fictional but it's similar.

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 06:21:21 PM »
You guys don't seem to quite grasp what it is that confuses me.  I get the concept, but the Alien contraption had controls.  Your own limbs wouldn't really be part of the apparatus, they'd only control it separately from inside the framework.  This other thing just looks like an exoskeleton, where your own hands would physically be holding something, and the suit is just supposed to reinforce that, not do it for you as an extension of yourself.  It just seems like a fundamental paradox to have it require input from you first.  The only way I can see it working is reading muscle contractions or something.  Or getting electric signals and interpreting them, though I can't imagine that working reliably.

Fuck it.  I'm reading the article.  I just hope after all this it actually says how the thing works, or I'm going to go crazy every time I see this thread.

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Aha!  We have answers.  The machine doesn't detect movement on your part.  In fact, it's actually hooked up to your muscles and, no kidding, detects electric signals to activate.  Wild.

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The suit has special pads which attach to muscles and detect electrical signals form the brain.  As the muscle moves, so does the suit, augmenting the power of movements.  Special care is taken to respect the range of motion and not go too fast, so as not to damage delicate tendons, ligaments, and bones.

Well, my mind is blown.  I'll tell you what, though, you'd never get me into one of those things until the tech has had a few dozen years to prove itself.

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #23 on: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 10:44:28 PM »
holy shit, that's awesome.  Super penis here i come!  Just in time too.....

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« Reply #24 on: Friday, April 17, 2009, 02:16:39 AM »
holy shit, that's awesome.  Super penis here i come!  Just in time too.....
Haha believe it or not the "cyborg" penis and other penile enhancemants (and implants) have been around for years! It was a priority in the fields of robotics and prosthetics :P

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Re: I wouldn't expect this to come out of any other country. HAL...
« Reply #25 on: Friday, April 17, 2009, 05:02:51 AM »
I am disturbed that you know this. :P :P

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« Reply #26 on: Friday, April 17, 2009, 07:28:17 AM »
I am disturbed that you know this. :P :P
Art will carry you to places you never thought you'd visit. It's like being in a rowboat and getting caught in a storm then finding yourself washed ashore a strange place, the rest of your days are spent trying to find a way back but it never happens. :P

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« Reply #27 on: Friday, April 17, 2009, 08:53:55 AM »
Lost 2: The rowboat chronicles.