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Offline gpw11

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Damn...this is depressing
« on: Sunday, October 22, 2006, 11:02:57 PM »

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Re: Damn...this is depressing
« Reply #1 on: Sunday, October 22, 2006, 11:10:16 PM »
That is depressing to see.

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Re: Damn...this is depressing
« Reply #2 on: Sunday, October 22, 2006, 11:12:26 PM »
Yeah, it's sad.

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Re: Damn...this is depressing
« Reply #3 on: Sunday, October 22, 2006, 11:15:57 PM »
It is pretty sad.. Michael J. Fox is awesome. I kinda miss Spin City.

I can't help but reference South Park again. That whole stemcell thing was pretty funny *crack* *Slurrrrp*

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Re: Damn...this is depressing
« Reply #4 on: Monday, October 23, 2006, 02:22:21 AM »
If you REALLY want to get depressed, scroll down and read the comments.

Hey, I'm a rookie poster now.

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Re: Damn...this is depressing
« Reply #5 on: Monday, October 23, 2006, 05:12:25 AM »
If you REALLY want to get depressed, scroll down and read the comments.

Hey, I'm a rookie poster now.

Good God, what morons.  They're the ones who should have been aborted.

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Re: Damn...this is depressing
« Reply #6 on: Monday, October 23, 2006, 03:46:52 PM »
Well, we can still make an argument for post birth abortion.

People that  comment at sites like YouTube are pretty much as bad as it gets.  I tell myself to ignore the comments, but I always find myself reading them.

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Re: Damn...this is depressing
« Reply #7 on: Monday, October 23, 2006, 04:18:44 PM »
I personally think the IMDB boards are pretty bad.

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Re: Damn...this is depressing
« Reply #8 on: Monday, October 23, 2006, 08:15:01 PM »
I never bothered to register there, but I don't hear good things.

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Re: Damn...this is depressing
« Reply #9 on: Monday, October 23, 2006, 08:27:11 PM »
Ugh. One of those things that is good to watch, but sure as hell isn't fun.
Suck it, Pugnate.

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Re: Damn...this is depressing
« Reply #10 on: Monday, October 23, 2006, 10:54:32 PM »
Fuck, I thought about going to look at the comments, but decided against it. 

Remember that Twilight Zone where the kid is studying for the test in the future and his parents are encouraging him but also telling him that he shouldn't take it too seriously?  And then the twist is that when he aces the test a needle comes out and kills him.  That should be what happens when you post a video to youtube or makea  comment there.

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Re: Damn...this is depressing
« Reply #11 on: Monday, October 23, 2006, 11:42:19 PM »
Check it out.

Using human stem cells, they have cured a Parkinson's-like disease in rats. The only problem is the rats developed brain tumors since the cells didn't know when to stop dividing.

Now, just wait for the short-sighted people to use this as an example to why we should stop stem cell research.

Everyone else will see it as a reason for more research.

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Re: Damn...this is depressing
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 12:21:42 AM »
Stem cell shit is scary.  Call me short-sighted if you like, but it makes me very uneasy.  Good results only make me more uneasy.

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Re: Damn...this is depressing
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 12:37:57 AM »
The thing about stem-cell research is a lot of people don't really know what it is.  There's adult stem cell research which basically usually uses bone marrow.  This is rarely contested and has been studied (and to some extent used) for years.  There's also embryonic stem cell research, which is usually what people are talking about even though they may not understand the difference.  This is what people get all hot over. 

What gets me is that a lot of people who realize the difference and are opposed to embryonic just pretty much stopped their research there because it seems like it's science that backs up their moral argument.  You'll usually hear two arguments from these people:

1.) why use embryonic when we can use adult stem cells (and here's where they really let their motivations behind their stance out)...why destroy a human life when we don't have to.

The answer is that they aren't even  the same thing...but a lot of people won't even listen to that...they're both stem cells...what difference could there be?  Yeah, all blood cells are the same too.

2.) All the major medical advancements linked to stem cells have been done using adult stem cells.  Embryonic is simply theoretical.  Why destroy a human life when when the adult stem cells are better suited to medical use?

Again, there is a pretty simple answer to that.  The use of adult stem cells has never really been under controversy and the majority of advancements made are really very minor.  Extracting the cells from marrow before chemo treatments and then reinjecting them to help the patient recover.    Usually when you hear of the potential of stem cell treatments they aren't talking about adult stem cells at all, and when they specifically mention adult stem cells and how they have the potential to be just as versatile as embryonic stem cells, well...that's even more theoretical then embryonic stem cells being usefull..a lot more.  Really, do you expect huge advancements when you're talking about the medical aplication of a substance that is as restricted as embryonic stem cells?  So many countries have so many different laws and people are scared to fund it since it could be shut down a year from now.     It's a bit like claiming the manned mission to Jupiter was a failure.  Oh, yeah we haven't really tried...but why bother when we can get to the moon.  And lets not  forget that penicillin didn't cure anything until all of a sudden it was purified and cured pretty much everything.

Chances are embryonic stem cell research is over hyped...it's not a miracle cure, but that doesn't change the fact that any statistical or  scientific argument against it is pretty much flawed right off the bat.  There isn't a scientific argument about it at all....there's a theory lets try to prove or disprove it - it's all purely ethical.  Now there's nothing at all wrong with that really, but don't fucking  try to hide behind the fact that it 'probably won't ammount to much', just say what you mean...you don't want people using fertilized human eggs for experiments.   

And don't even get me started on how it may lead to full on human reproductive cloning.  Probably the best example of a classical logical fallacy if I've ever run across one.                                                       

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Re: Damn...this is depressing
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 06:09:12 AM »
I can understand some of the concerns of the morally locked right-to-lifers.  Let's say that someone does discover a miracle use for embryonic stem cells, something that will lead to the cure of a disease or condition affecting millions, given massive supplies of embryonic stem cells.  Then you have a very real possibility of women getting pregnant and aborting, just for money.  The scientists will argue that these pregnancies will be terminated within days, before fetuses develop any conscionusness, or even that fertilization and incubation will be dome completely in vitro.  The morally locked opponents will argue that it makes no difference at all when you kill a human life after it has been conceived.  It's still a crime against God and humanity.

Now what?  Well, I guess the battle that can never be won or settled gets cranked up a notch.  That is all.

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Re: Damn...this is depressing
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 06:20:26 AM »
Fuck, I thought about going to look at the comments, but decided against it. 

Remember that Twilight Zone where the kid is studying for the test in the future and his parents are encouraging him but also telling him that he shouldn't take it too seriously?  And then the twist is that when he aces the test a needle comes out and kills him.  That should be what happens when you post a video to youtube or makea  comment there.
What the hell?  That sounds like the dumbest story ever.

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Re: Damn...this is depressing
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 07:28:54 AM »
An off-the-cuff guess: the moral of the story is that society wants mediocre automatons it can exploit, not smart people who think for themselves and make waves.  (?)