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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #160 on: Saturday, May 10, 2008, 11:20:00 AM »
Yeah, it's still bullshit, just a different brand of it.  I'd forgotten about the revoke tool thing.  Maybe I'll just stop buying all EA products.  I mean, that's more or less where I've been for a couple years now, but maybe now I'll just stop making exceptions.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #161 on: Sunday, May 11, 2008, 03:02:57 AM »
Yeah, it's still bullshit, just a different brand of it.  I'd forgotten about the revoke tool thing.  Maybe I'll just stop buying all EA products.  I mean, that's more or less where I've been for a couple years now, but maybe now I'll just stop making exceptions.
As much as I am anticipating ME and love Bioware games I might join that wagon.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #163 on: Sunday, May 11, 2008, 04:25:09 PM »
That link doesn't lead to anything like a good read, D.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #164 on: Sunday, May 11, 2008, 04:29:34 PM »
For people that swap out hardware, a "Revoke tool" would somewhat solve the problem of "If you swap out hardware significant, you will then lose an install count b/c your hardware's now different" bullshit. I think that is bullshit, if you ask me -- I mean, it's still the SAME PC; they should install bind the install count to your PC's unique IP, if that's the case! So, w/ a "revoke tool" in place, before Joe decides to swap a component out, the tool could revoke one of their MEPC installs, incrementing their count up by 1. Then, they could swap out the part, put in the new part, go and reactivate their game -- and they'll be back where there were on the allowed install count before they swapped the part out.
I see what you're getting at, but there is no "unique IP" on a PC, D.  There are CPU serial numbers, network card MAC addresses, and things like that.  But the trouble is, if those things get changed out, what part really defines the PC?  Truly, no individual part does.  I would guess the motherboard would be the closest thing but people even upgrade those sometimes.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #165 on: Sunday, May 11, 2008, 10:55:06 PM »
Brilliant Idol.  I think you just may have hit the nail on the head.

About the stuff with swapping out computer components, I think it's somewhat retarded period. They can link it to the motherboard or whatever, but I paid for the game, and if I want to play it 10 years down the road and three PCs later, I should have that right.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #166 on: Monday, May 12, 2008, 01:43:21 PM »
About the stuff with swapping out computer components, I think it's somewhat retarded period. They can link it to the motherboard or whatever, but I paid for the game, and if I want to play it 10 years down the road and three PCs later, I should have that right.
Agreed.

I don't think anyone would complain if some 2 years down the road, Bioware removed the DRM from the game w/ a patch.

I know it'd make me happy.

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Preview from GameSpy on this thing

« Last Edit: Monday, May 12, 2008, 06:47:29 PM by MysterD »

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #167 on: Monday, May 12, 2008, 07:52:41 PM »

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #168 on: Monday, May 12, 2008, 10:31:31 PM »
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You are paying for the privilege of using the software, not ownership of the intellectual property

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #169 on: Monday, May 12, 2008, 10:36:10 PM »
Wow.  He'd get my vote.  If I saw him right now, I would punch him in the face.  Just on principle.

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The music industry has been similarly ravaged by piracy. It's easy enough to avoid any DRM simply by purchasing a CD. But that's not what most people do. The number one retailer of music is none other than Apple's iTunes. That's right – the same iTunes that gives you songs at 128kbps AAC and won't let you burn any song to CD more than five times. Apple has tried to appease the DRM-haters with iTunes plus, but it's a pretty small percentage of iTunes songs that use the "plus" format.

The people who use iTunes are almost universally morons, first of all, and beyond that... uh, the music industry is just a little bigger than the gaming industry, don't you think?  With, oh I don't know, maybe a few hundred million more consumers taking part in it?  Many of whom are completely technologically inept and wouldn't know what DRM was if you asked them?

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Ultimately I feel that those who raise hell about DRM are in a minority. The alleged inconveniences are incredibly trivial, and if DRM can reduce piracy, it's good both for developers and gamers. And those who threaten piracy because of DRM? Well, those schmucks are probably already familiar with getting the five-finger discount. I challenge these irate gamers to offer their own solutions. PC piracy numbers are staggering, and causing many developers to leave the platform. If gamers don't like DRM, what other solutions might there be? What are these gamers accomplishing by throwing a fit and threatening more piracy, aside from egging developers to develop even stricter DRM?

Ultimately nobody gives a shit what you feel.  If the inconveniences are so trivial, why are we all so upset?  Hmm?  And we've already proven, you fucking moron, that DRM CAN'T REDUCE PIRACY.  IT DOESN'T AND NEVER HAS.  What fucking planet do you live on?  And we've already offered our own solutions - stop with the fucking DRM.  It worked for Stardock, didn't it?  We aren't egging on developers, because it isn't even developers who generally decide what DRM their game will have... but aside from that, all we continue to do is tell them what we don't want, and demonstrate why what they do doesn't even work to the end they intend because we destroy it within weeks or days or hours of a game's release (or, you know, before the fucking game is even on the shelf).

EDIT - This guy makes an interesting point in comments, too:

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This isn't about Piracy, EA know full well that a Hack will follow hot on the heels of the release.

This is about attacking the Second Hand Game market, which is far greater source of tangible revenue loss than Piracy (the ESA 'figures' on Piracy assume that everyone who pirated a game would have bought it had it not been pirated, which is complete tosh).

By limiting installs and making the system phone home, it makes it extremely difficult to resell the game once completed, and this is the idea.

So, don't let EA kid you they are 'fighting teh ebil pirates', cos they ain't and they know it, they are simply making sure that anyone who wants a legal copy of the game this time next year will have to give them the money rather than buy it second hand.

I've often wondered about this.  It's been talked about before, but it seems like we always, always, always get sidetracked on the piracy issue.  I question whether or not this is really their scheme, though, because it isn't like second-hand stuff is a huge market on the PC.  That's much bigger on consoles, and there's fuck all they can do about that.  Do game stores like EB even take PC games as trade-ins anymore?

Also, wow I swore a lot in this post.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #170 on: Monday, May 12, 2008, 11:58:44 PM »
EB/Gamestop stopped taking used PC games quite a few years ago now. Theres isn't a big used PC game market unless you talk ebay or classic titles (you know, pre-CD key stuff).

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #171 on: Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 01:57:44 PM »
I never even really thought about the 2nd-hand market (Ebay and other places you can re-sell and re-buy PC games), as to why they would limit install numbers. Well, hell -- that's probably the most logical thing I've heard yet as to why to limit installs on a game.

But still, if I resold my copy of a game on Ebay that has some sort of limited activation scheme (which I'd never do b/c I don't sell my games and b/c I don't really care for Ebay), wouldn't the buyer just get the damn crack to avoid the dial home scheme?

EB/Gamestop stopped taking used PC games quite a few years ago now. Theres isn't a big used PC game market unless you talk ebay or classic titles (you know, pre-CD key stuff).
Last game I bought on the used-game market from an EB was in 2001, Baldur's Gate II for $20 w/ the Brady Strategy Guide elasticized with it for free. I couldn't pass that deal up, as the Brady guide cost $20 alone. That was in 2001, In Pensacola, Florida. And both the guide and game discs were in near-perfect condition.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #172 on: Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 03:34:31 PM »
Still, I don't see how the second-hand market would be impacted.  As long as the activation is revoked on uninstall a la Bioshock, what would it matter when someone else buys the game?

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #173 on: Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 04:18:47 PM »
Still, I don't see how the second-hand market would be impacted.  As long as the activation is revoked on uninstall a la Bioshock, what would it matter when someone else buys the game?
There is no revoking allowed for Mass Effect PC. Three installs allowed -- and you're done.
So, what gamer would really want to buy a copy of MEPC that doesn't have many or any installs left?
They'd right off the bat probably be looking for a crack.

About Bioshock, who's to say Joe Gamer revoked all his copies of the game?? Who's to say he hasn't revoked any copies of the game? Who'd want to buy a game (especially as shady as Ebay can be) in which it's possible that most of or all of the gamer's revokes are already used up? Right off the bat, the gamer who bought the 2nd-hand copy would probably start looking for a crack.

If a gamer is to buy Bioshock or MEPC 2nd-hand from somewhere like Ebay, they're probably just lookin' to get the content on disc, to avoid downloading the huge-sized game. They probably don't care if they wind up using a hack or not.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #174 on: Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 05:10:09 PM »
I'm pretty sure in Bioshock, when you uninstall it, it revokes the activation automatically.  The revoke tool just lets you revoke it while it's installed in case something bad happens and you don't get a chance to uninstall it.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #176 on: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 12:03:31 AM »
If there's a 8800GT on sale for around $150 or a 9500GT for around $110 at ncix tomorrow night I'll probably look into this more.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #178 on: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 04:13:28 PM »
Lots of people having trouble w/ this, if you even seen lately their official boards lately for Tech Support. Kind of hectic, to say the least. You guys gotta' see some of Bioware/EA's solutions for these issues...quite ridiculous.

Manual Install for those w/ Any Issues
I guess A LOT of people have had trouble just trying to installing this and just trying to get it to run -- so, they have instructions on how to Manually Install(!) the game.

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Hi All,

There is a way to install the game manually if you can't get the game installed for some reason (installer error, saferun, etc).

You will need:
1) access to the contents of the data directory (either off CD, download, temp files, etc)
2) WinRar or 7zip or any tool that can extract .rar files.

Steps:
1) Create a folder on your system somewhere. Default for the installer is "C:\Program Files\Mass Effect\" or a games folder.
2) Open each .rar file in the utility chosen (WinRar for e.g.)
3) Extract each .rar file into this folder. If you are using an English build, you won't need to extract any .rar file that has a different language code (_es, _fr, _de, _it, etc)
4) After extracting all files, your folder should look like this:
...\Mass Effect\Binaries\
...\Mass Effect\BioGame\
...\Mass Effect\data\
...\Mass Effect\docs\
...\Mass Effect\Engine\
...\Mass Effect\MassEffectLauncher.exe

5) Run the MassEffectLauncher.exe and quit immediately.
6) Run the "Mass Effect (tm)_code.exe" from the data folder. Enter your CD Key, click next, it will exit out.
7) Run the Launcher again, hit "Config". under the "Repair" tab, you can re-create your shortcuts if running XP. If running Vista, I'm sorry, you can't add the game to the Game Explorer in these instructions.
9) Quit back to the launcher.
10) Play! (everything should work nicely now)


I hope that helps some people!

Owen.

Windows Vista Issues of Crashing
And I guess people having lots of problems w/ MEPC after installing, just crashing on Vista if you are using a UAC account on Vista.

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QUESTION
What can I do if Mass Effect keeps crashing after I installed it on my Windows Vista machine?
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Windows Vista users with UAC (User Access Control) enabled may experience a crash to desktop when running Mass Effect after installation.

The solution to this problem is to disable UAC, run Mass Effect PC once and then enable UAC on your Windows Vista Control Panel. Once the procedure has been completed, you will not have to repeat the it unless Windows Vista is reinstalled.

Detailed Instructions:

   1. Open Control Panel.
   2. Under User Account and Family Settings click on Add or Remove User Account.
   3. Click on the user account you would like to disable UAC for.
   4. With a user account selected, click on the Go to the Main User Account Page link.
   5. Under the Make Changes to Your User Account heading click on the Change Security Settings link.
   6. Under Turn on User Account Control (UAC) to make your computer more secure uncheck the box beside Use User Account Control (UAC) to help protect your computer. Click the OK button to accept the changes.
   7. Windows will prompt to reboot the computer. Save any open files and reboot to apply the changes.
   8. When your computer has rebooted, launch Mass Effect PC and then exit the game.
   9. Now repeat the above steps but check the box mentioned in Step 6 and reboot when prompted to complete the procedure.
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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #179 on: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 04:27:56 PM »
Wow, I installed it and got it up and running pretty quickly.  No trouble with it so far.  I have everything at maximum and it runs pretty well.
It's just getting complicated for me, though, ha..

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #180 on: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 08:59:43 PM »
It's good to hear somebody in the world ain't having issues w/ it. :)

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #181 on: Sunday, June 08, 2008, 01:20:38 PM »
Just picked it up and played about 1 hour into it.

It's beautiful. It's running fantastically as well.

I've come across a minor bug though. In the character creation screen, if I go back and forth between the steps (in this case appearance and finalize) eventually the game prevents me from entering any menu commands. I can highlight buttons with the mouse and keyboard but I can't push any of them. It's a tiny bug, hardly an issue at all.

Regardless, I'm really loving it so far.

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I also noticed something quite strange. The package includes two DVD's labeled "Disc One" and "Disc Two," however I never used the 2nd disc in the installation. Just to give you an idea the game came in a DVD case (like a DVD movie) with the 2nd disc in a separate envelope tucked behind the manual.

According to EA support:

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Mass Effect is only contained on one disc.

Even though the disc included is labeled Disc 1 there are no additional discs included in the package.

Which is particularly weird since I actually do have a 2nd disc in the package. Its contents appear to be the same as the 1st disc.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #182 on: Sunday, June 08, 2008, 01:32:37 PM »
Just picked it up and played about 1 hour into it.

It's beautiful. It's running fantastically as well.

I've come across a minor bug though. In the character creation screen, if I go back and forth between the steps (in this case appearance and finalize) eventually the game prevents me from entering any menu commands. I can highlight buttons with the mouse and keyboard but I can't push any of them. It's a tiny bug, hardly an issue at all.

Regardless, I'm really loving it so far.

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I also noticed something quite strange. The package includes two DVD's labeled "Disc One" and "Disc Two," however I never used the 2nd disc in the installation. Just to give you an idea the game came in a DVD case (like a DVD movie) with the 2nd disc in a separate envelope tucked behind the manual.

According to EA support:

Which is particularly weird since I actually do have a 2nd disc in the package. Its contents appear to be the same as the 1st disc.
Does this mean you have TWO key-codes there, giving you now SIX total allowed installs instead of THREE?   :o

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #183 on: Sunday, June 08, 2008, 03:07:02 PM »
Yeah, I picked this up a few days ago as well, and do have to say it runs great and looks beautiful.  The DRM hasn't been a problem at all (didn't even notice it actually), and I haven't run into any bugs (there has been a couple of cases of graphical lockups and crashes, but I was messing around with overclocking my card before playing the game and never returned the settings...I'm going to assume that's what did it).

Are you guys playing with the film grain on?  It kind of looks like ass, but it's the only form of AA that seems to work with this game.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #184 on: Sunday, June 08, 2008, 03:22:35 PM »
I turned grain off almost immediately (on the X360).  It seems like image processing just for the hell of it, and I've never understood the appeal of that.  I did some work on some graphics-editing software in the late 80s, and I had to help screw up perfectly good images with stupid effects.

I have to get back to this game.  If I could only wrench myself away from GTA 4.  My previous 360 got the RRoD while in ME.  So maybe I'm just a little afraid of it too.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #185 on: Sunday, June 08, 2008, 11:29:42 PM »
Does this mean you have TWO key-codes there, giving you now SIX total allowed installs instead of THREE?   :o
Well, I've only got one key on the back of the manual.

I've got Film Grain on and it's not bothering me. It kinda helps hide most of the imperfections (like some bad textures). I've got the texture quality up to Ultra High and I can still see some sub-par textures here and there.

The DRM hasn't been a problem so far. It's not intrusive at all and I don't need the disc in the drive to play! Unfortunately, it still requires an internet connection to verify the game.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #186 on: Monday, June 09, 2008, 12:47:35 AM »
Yeah, the texture thing is kind of whacked.  Like most of them are pretty good but occasionally you'll be talking to an NPC, look a little too closely and be all like "Whoa! Give Kyle Katarn his fucking shirt back you jackass!"

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #187 on: Monday, June 09, 2008, 11:57:44 PM »
Has anyone actually finished this?  I ask because I have a terrible feeling the main game is really really short for an RPG.

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« Reply #188 on: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 01:41:03 AM »
Not yet. I'm exploring it quite a bit.

Here's a bit from the official tips:
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If you are worried that you might be missing some of the story by taking a different path, don't worry, you are. There is no way to play through all of the storylines in this game without playing through at least 5 times, and that is being generous. In all honesty, you could play this game for the next six months and never get the entire experience. This is coming from a tester who just a few weeks ago finally noticed a new branch, after playing for 8 months. Don't be afraid to start a new game, and don't be afraid to try a new character/difficulty/follower team-up. The game has a way of surprising you in ways you would not expect.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #190 on: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 12:02:08 PM »
Y'know, I just realized that Mass Effect is in the Unreal engine! I had never read anywhere. I just assumed it was Bioware's next rendition of the engine they used for KotOR. I gotta say they put the Unreal engine to great use!

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« Reply #191 on: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 01:32:03 PM »
Y'know, I just realized that Mass Effect is in the Unreal engine! I had never read anywhere. I just assumed it was Bioware's next rendition of the engine they used for KotOR. I gotta say they put the Unreal engine to great use!

Yes, ME is the game that was unorigially the "Unknown Unreal Engine" game that they were working on.

A better use of that engine would involve removing Securom's limited install count. Hell, I'll jump for MEPC if they allow revokes a la Bioshock PC.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #192 on: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 10:41:49 PM »
Is it actually non-revocable? I was under the impression that was just a rumor and absolutely nothing popped up warning me about this during the install.

Anyways, the game got better for me once the freedom to fly around increased.  I still get the impression that it's really really short, but at least some of the side missions are pretty fun...although I get the feeling that they'll get very repetitive.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #193 on: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 01:43:25 PM »
Is it actually non-revocable? I was under the impression that was just a rumor and absolutely nothing popped up warning me about this during the install.

Anyways, the game got better for me once the freedom to fly around increased.  I still get the impression that it's really really short, but at least some of the side missions are pretty fun...although I get the feeling that they'll get very repetitive.
I don't know if it has changed since AFTER the game were released (I really ain't followed MEPC News of lately).

Here's what I knew, before the game dropped.

As far as I knew, NO REVOKES.

Three installs allowed on three different PC's ONLY.
If it's the same EXACT PC you're installing and reinstalling in (without making any HARDWARE changes), you can uninstall and reinstall the game as much as you want.

"Major changes in hardware" (whatever that means, they never defined it on the MEPC boards and wasn't sure -- so I really would assume any hardware changes like CPU, RAM, vid card, etc) will result in losing ONE install.

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« Reply #194 on: Friday, June 13, 2008, 02:46:32 PM »
Well, here's the official Q&A from the EA support boards:

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QUESTION
How will Digital Rights Management (DRM) work with Mass Effect for the PC?
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Answer

The DRM solution implemented for Mass Effect for the PC changes copy protection from being key disc based, which requires authentication every time you play the game by requiring a disc in the drive, to a one time online authentication. This system has the added benefit of allowing you to seamlessly play your game without requiring the game disc in the drive.

KEY POINTS:

    * This system allows you to authenticate your game on three different computers with the purchase of one disc. EA Customer Service is on hand to supply any additional authorizations that are warranted. This will be done on a case-by-case basis by contacting Customer Support.
    * Games are authorized to your machine when you first install and launch the game.
    * We have all had those times when the discs get lost or scratched and you can’t play a game you’ve bought because you need a working disc in the drive. With this new system, players will no longer need the disc to play the game, but can instead simply retain the disc as back up for re-installation.

FAQ:
Q: What is the difference between the old PC disc authentication solution and the new online model?
A: Two things have changed:

    * First, authentication of your game disc has changed from a physical format to an online format, eliminating the need to have a disc in the drive when playing.
    * Second, with online authentication, consumers now connect to the Internet the first time the game is launched and are only required to reconnect if they are downloading new game content.

Q: What happens when I’ve reached the maximum number of computers for my game and I need more? (Due to computer upgrades, theft, crashes, etc.)
A: EA Customer Support is on hand to supply any additional authorizations that are warranted. This will be done on a case-by-case basis by contacting Customer Support.

Q: Why are BioWare and EA implementing this new authentication process?
A: This system serves to protect our software from piracy. It has the added benefit of allowing you to activate your game on multiple machines without needing the game disc in the drive when playing the game.

Q: I heard that authentication has to take place every 10 days, is that true?
A: No. Disc based authentication required authentication every time you launched the game. Online authentication is more flexible and for Mass Effect, game authentication is needed only at the initial launch of the game on a particular machine.

Q: If the game isn’t going to require an authentication every 10 days, will it ever require re-authentication?
A: Re-authentication is required if the game is re-installed on a previously authorized machine for any reason. However, if you choose to download new game content, you will need to register online and log in for those services.

It doesn't say anything about revokes but it gives a clearer picture of how the DRM has been implemented and how it works.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #195 on: Friday, June 13, 2008, 03:34:08 PM »
Sounds like the same song and dance; hasn't changed at all.

No revokes allowed on limited install count = no sale at its current price tag.

If I wanted to rent this game, I would've bought a X360 console and rented ME X360 at my local game-rental store.


EDIT, 6-14-2008:
Tweak Guides got a guide up for MEPC.
« Last Edit: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 05:16:47 AM by MysterD »

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #196 on: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 04:35:49 PM »
Well, here's the official Q&A from the EA support boards:

It doesn't say anything about revokes but it gives a clearer picture of how the DRM has been implemented and how it works.


That's pretty lame but not as bad as I originally though.  Anyways, the whole experience here has been pretty much seamless.  Actually, I probably like this version of SecureRom better than the old version for the time being.  The non-revoke is bullshit though.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #197 on: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 06:21:06 PM »
I think I've officially decided against bothering with this game.  It isn't worth it to me.  Whether or not I'll buy Spore remains to be seen, but at this point, anything that EA touches is looking like a sure-fire miss for me.

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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #198 on: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 06:29:03 PM »
The non-revoke is bullshit though.
That's the only thing holding me back from buying the game.

I had no troubles really with Bioshock PC's Securom Dial Home Edition, except for the Day 1 Release activation. It took 3-4 times of trying to get the thing to actually activate, when inputting the code correctly and all -- you know, b/c probably everybody and their cousin was trying to activate the damn thing at once. But, it eventually got through, after a few tries of it trying to connect to the activation server.

Remind me never to buy a game that requires activation upon the exact day of release...


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Re: Mass Effect PC to have horrendous DRM
« Reply #199 on: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 12:35:21 AM »
So far my experience was pretty smooth. The DRM in MEPC is non-intrusive and I don't need a disc in the drive!

It is agreeable that their 'no revoke' system is pretty shitty.