Topic: MS bans you from Live for using MW2 exploit

[idolminds]

Wow.

The issue in question is called the Javelin Exploit, and it allows players to detonate a grenade instantly upon death

Yeah, sucks, but IW should patch it out. I remember doing this sort of thing in other games like Action Half-Life. Out of ammo? Kamikaze!

"While IW works on getting the MW2 glitch fixed, people we catch using it will recieve suspensions from LIVE. Play fair everyone," Toulouse said via Twitter.

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The ban isn't for Modern Warfare 2, it's for the entirety of Xbox Live. If you're banned, no new content for you. No playing online... in anything. Major Nelson posted the details on his blog: "Keep in mind, this isn't just a ban on a particular game. This is a ban on the Xbox Live service as a whole, so you won't be able to go online at all during your ban. Initially, you may be banned for a day, a week, or depending on severity, permanently! Kiss that $50 goodbye," he wrote.

The troubling aspect about the case of Modern Warfare 2 is that no one is changing the code in the game and no rules are being broken. They're simply taking advantage of the behavior of two particular weapons when used in a certain way. From Microsoft's side of things, that's cutting the hair too fine: if you find a glitch and use it in the game, that's cheating.

What the fuck? Thats crazy. To ban someone from the entire Live service over a glitch in a game? Imagine if bunny hopping in Quake got you banned from all your other multiplayer shooters.

I also don't like that "Kiss that $50 goodbye" bit. First, thats just acting like a dick. "Haha we can fuck you in the ass and you can't do anything! Thanks for the money!" and secondly, its $60. Remember that next-gen tax you fuckers added to games? Don't be lying to people now.

Er, I guess he meant the Live subscription. Still, that kills off a lot of value of MW2 as well as every other game you may own. $50 my ass.

Gah...I dont even have a 360 or any interest in MW2 and this pisses me off.

[Pugnate]

Yea it is a one week ban but it is still totally uncalled for. You are the ones who made the mistake.

What the hell is happening to gaming?

[W7RE]

The glitch uses an RPG called the Javelin, which fires a rocket up into the air, which then arcs back toward the ground. So you can fire over obstacles and such.

Bring out your javelin, press and hold the "throw grenade" button, press the swap weapons button, release the grenade button. Now when you die, your javelin RPG instantly explodes at your location, killing anyone within 20 feet or so. Equip the Danger Close perk and you get more range on the explosion. The enemy just took the bunker on Wasteland? Swap to this setup and run in there, you'll kill everyone inside because THEY shot YOU. They could just not shoot you, then you can run around knifing them all and they can't stop you.

Yes, this is something "built into the game", but it's more than just a playstyle or equipment loadout. (like the running around all fast knifing people, or dual wielding the extremely powerful model 1887 shotguns). You know what else is "built into" the game? On the Afghan map, there's a rock you can glitch yourself into so you're invincible but can still shoot anyone that runs by. That should get you banned too.

[Quemaqua]

No, if it's in the game and you can do it, you shouldn't be banned for it.  The devs should patch it because that's their fucking responsibility.  You can't punish people for playing your game the way you delivered it to them.  That's what patches are for.  And as we all know, you can fucking patch games on consoles now.  Which is why they now deliver them just as broken as some PC games have been for years.

[iPPi]

Agreed.

On PSN side of things, they've stated that they won't be banning anyone over it while the fix is being implemented.  I would still be wary over using it though.

[W7RE]

Do you bitch when you exploit a glitch on a PC game and get permabanned from the server? Fuck cheaters, they deserve it.

[Quemaqua]

No, because acting like a dick should get you kicked from one individual server.  It shouldn't get you removed from using services you fucking pay for that aren't limited to the one game in which you offended some people by acting stupid.  The punishment should fit the crime.

[MysterD]

No, if it's in the game and you can do it, you shouldn't be banned for it. The devs should patch it because that's their fucking responsibility.  You can't punish people for playing your game the way you delivered it to them.  That's what patches are for.  And as we all know, you can fucking patch games on consoles now.  Which is why they now deliver them just as broken as some PC games have been for years.

I agree 100%.

But, I also think once the exploit is there - especially if it's something that is THIS nasty - yeah, cheaters shouldn't be using this dirty cheat online, even knowing damn well it's there. And this is true when doing this ESPECIALLY against other players.

No, because acting like a dick should get you kicked from one individual server.  It shouldn't get you removed from using services you fucking pay for that aren't limited to the one game in which you offended some people by acting stupid.  The punishment should fit the crime.

Again, I agree 100%.

[Schlotzky5]

This is why I play flower.

[Pugnate]

I wonder if they actually are waving the ban stick, or this is just meant to be some deterrent.

[idolminds]

Heh, thats a good question. Maybe the threat is enough to buy them time to get the patch out.

[MysterD]

Heh, thats a good question. Maybe the threat is enough to buy them time to get the patch out.

And hopefully get players to stop cheating while the glitch is there, for the time being...
It'll be interesting to see how quickly they put this patch out (or not)...

Does the glitch pertain to the Steam-required PC version at all?

[MysterD]

On the Afghan map, there's a rock you can glitch yourself into so you're invincible but can still shoot anyone that runs by. That should get you banned too.

Looks like Patch 1.06 will ALSO fix the Afghan map issue, as well - whenever they drop that patch.

[iPPi]

1.05 came out today on PSN.  So I assume 1.06 might come out in a bit.

[Cobra951]

My philosophy forever has been:  I didn't design the game; I'm just playing it.  Anything a game allows me to do is fair play.  If someone gets their panties in a bunch over some unintended, yet very present exploit in the undisturbed, original game code, then the devs of that original code need to patch it out.  Don't blame players for figuring out how to play the game to their best advantage.  That's insanely fucked up.