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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #40 on: Friday, February 19, 2010, 01:17:55 PM »
Holy shit, this is getting out of hand. We're inching closer to "Play Assassin's Creed 3 for 1 month for ONLY $60!! YEAH!!"

I swear, if gaming becomes a "service" like that I'm quitting. I'll move to the Yukon or something.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #41 on: Friday, February 19, 2010, 02:33:47 PM »
Ubisoft might as well just stick to console gaming, if they ain't getting to shape up. I ain't gonna tolerate this crap - and so ain't a lot of other PC gamers.

Once the protection gets broken by hackers - and you can bet it will - UbiSoft might as well just ditch the protection scheme. Come up w/ something we will tolerate, for crying out loud.

I had a lot of respect for UbiSoft when they release Prince of Persia (2008) with NO DRM. It's a shame it got pirated to Hell - but their answer w/ this new DRM can go take a flying leap out the window.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #42 on: Friday, February 19, 2010, 02:43:45 PM »
I think with no offline save mode, the games may very well be impossible to pirate. We'll see.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #43 on: Friday, February 19, 2010, 02:47:08 PM »
Even more info...
You can NOT resell your UbiSoft DRM-protected game, either.


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Can I resell my game?
Not at this time.

Can I resell my game along with my Ubisoft account?
Your Ubisoft account features your personal data and cannot be given or sold to anyone.

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Why the need for a permanent Internet connection? Why no “offline” mode?
The online services platform authenticates with a Ubisoft account and a permanent online connection allows us to verify that no one else uses the account at the same time. We know that services such as Steam offer an offline mode but this option is not as efficient in its protection against piracy.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #44 on: Friday, February 19, 2010, 04:07:49 PM »
This is like a really bad joke. Honestly.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #45 on: Friday, February 19, 2010, 04:30:58 PM »
This is like a really bad joke. Honestly.

Securom and Steam ain't got jack-squat on the levels of ridiculous-ness imposed by Ubi's new DRM.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #46 on: Friday, February 19, 2010, 07:34:14 PM »
can't wait to see this shit storm play out...

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #47 on: Friday, February 19, 2010, 10:49:40 PM »
Holy shit, this is getting out of hand. We're inching closer to "Play Assassin's Creed 3 for 1 month for ONLY $60!! YEAH!!"

I swear, if gaming becomes a "service" like that I'm quitting. I'll move to the Yukon or something.
I hate to say it, but it's only a matter of time.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #48 on: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:18:56 AM »
UbiSoft speaks on their DRM with PC Gamer.

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PCG: Which PC games will require an always on internet connection?

Ubi: All announced Ubisoft PC games will include the online services, whether sold online, or from brick and mortar stores. That includes Splinter Cell, Silent Hunter 5, Assassin's Creed 2, Prince of Persia and the newly announced Ghost Recon. "It's hard for us to say, yes, from now until the day that we all die all of our games are going to include this," says their spokesperson, "but most will."

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #49 on: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 11:54:41 AM »
Then say goodbye to all your PC business, you morons.  I can't believe how stupid these people are.  I really can't.  People will still find a way to pirate your game, most likely, and only the most die-hard idiots out there are still going to support you.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #50 on: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 06:14:25 PM »
The conspiracy theorist in me imagines Valve and Securom paid Ubisoft off to make them look good. "Here, now do something so foul, so insipid that by comparison we will look like benevolent saints!"

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #51 on: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 06:34:25 PM »
The conspiracy theorist in me imagines Valve and Securom paid Ubisoft off to make them look good. "Here, now do something so foul, so insipid that by comparison we will look like benevolent saints!"

You forgot Microsoft, too. :P

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #52 on: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:06:03 PM »
haha imagine all the CEOs at a dinner party:

Ubisoft: You know what? *hic* Piracy is a real bitch! What if someone made it mandatory to have an internet connection to play games on the PC? What if you could only save online as well!? That doesn't sound stupid does it?

*everyone else looks at each other*

Microsoft: That sounds AWESOME! You should TOTALLY DO IT!

Valve: Yea I wish WE had thought of that. We just didn't go all the way!

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The lesson that Ubisoft probably should have learned from Sean Penn and South Park is that you never go full retard.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #53 on: Monday, February 22, 2010, 01:22:22 AM »
haha imagine all the CEOs at a dinner party:

Ubisoft: You know what? *hic* Piracy is a real bitch! What if someone made it mandatory to have an internet connection to play games on the PC? What if you could only save online as well!? That doesn't sound stupid does it?

*everyone else looks at each other*

Microsoft: That sounds AWESOME! You should TOTALLY DO IT!

Valve: Yea I wish WE had thought of that. We just didn't go all the way!

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The lesson that Ubisoft probably should have learned from Sean Penn and South Park is that you never go full retard.

hahaha ;D I fear that may be beyond Ubi!

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #54 on: Monday, February 22, 2010, 06:10:53 PM »
haha imagine all the CEOs at a dinner party:

Ubisoft: You know what? *hic* Piracy is a real bitch! What if someone made it mandatory to have an internet connection to play games on the PC? What if you could only save online as well!? That doesn't sound stupid does it?

*everyone else looks at each other*

Microsoft: That sounds AWESOME! You should TOTALLY DO IT!

Valve: Yea I wish WE had thought of that. We just didn't go all the way!

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The lesson that Ubisoft probably should have learned from Sean Penn and South Park is that you never go full retard.


Well, Valve did introduce Steam Cloud...  :o

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #55 on: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 02:53:47 AM »
Well, Valve did introduce Steam Cloud...  :o
Yes but Steam Cloud is optional (for the convenience of the player). Also the games that use it (so far) are multiplayer and since Steam is popular in internet/gaming cafes players who hop from machine to machine will only need to log in to access their configurations.

By contrast, Ubi's system imposes itself on the player like a fascist regime. Needless to say it's redundant since it specifically targets singleplayer games and games that would not likely be popular with gaming cafes and public gaming arenas. It's like the "phone home" schemes except it's constantly phoning home.

The sole purpose of Ubi's scheme is to combat piracy. A noble cause yet it penalizes the legitimate customers. By their example, I'd assume Ubi's method of choice to remove a tattoo would be to amputate the inked limb.

I believe that you can't completely eliminate piracy but you can certainly minimize it by simply rewarding legitimate and loyal customers. People will gladly pay for convenience i.e. home delivery, valet parking, housemaids, storage lockers.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #56 on: Tuesday, March 02, 2010, 06:07:42 PM »


At least its not buried in the fine print on the back of the box.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #57 on: Tuesday, March 02, 2010, 06:48:34 PM »
I agree, Idol. At least they're (literally) up-front about what you are getting yourself into, if you buy this game.

Still, this DRM sucks.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #58 on: Tuesday, March 02, 2010, 07:59:31 PM »
I'm really concerned about Splinter Cell and Assassin's Creed II (well, not so much AC2 since I could just get it on PS3). Conviction I just want on PC coz that's where I like to get my Splinter Cell fix! Mouse+KB!! Plus, I don't have a console in Canada! Aaaargh! Ubi!

Honestly, I'd really rather they made the games require Steam. It's better to deal with the devil you know than the devil you don't.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #59 on: Tuesday, March 02, 2010, 08:23:45 PM »
I'm really concerned about Splinter Cell and Assassin's Creed II (well, not so much AC2 since I could just get it on PS3). Conviction I just want on PC coz that's where I like to get my Splinter Cell fix! Mouse+KB!! Plus, I don't have a console in Canada! Aaaargh! Ubi!

Honestly, I'd really rather they made the games require Steam. It's better to deal with the devil you know than the devil you don't.

I'd rather Ubi's games require ONLY Steam, as well.

But, what's bad w/ AC2 Steam Version - that's right, you have to deal w/ Steam AND Ubi's DRM. Screw that shit.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #60 on: Tuesday, March 02, 2010, 08:47:25 PM »


This sums it up better.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #61 on: Tuesday, March 02, 2010, 08:55:47 PM »
I don't get is scott, your image says the same thing as mine?





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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #62 on: Tuesday, March 02, 2010, 09:01:14 PM »
LOL @ Scott's pic.
Nice.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #63 on: Tuesday, March 02, 2010, 09:17:24 PM »
I don't get is scott, your image says the same thing as mine?

Haha

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #64 on: Wednesday, March 03, 2010, 12:22:44 PM »

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #65 on: Wednesday, March 03, 2010, 01:00:51 PM »
I wonder if it actually works and allows you to save offline. Let's see.

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« Reply #66 on: Wednesday, March 03, 2010, 01:39:29 PM »
Heh, there is a patch for AC2 already. Before it even releases.

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* Game can now be continued from the exact same point when connection is restored
* Added support for ATI Eyefinity technology
* Fixed minor performance issues related to some multi-core processors
* Now reset graphics options if a new video card or monitor is detected
* Fixed some minor issues in Uplay Browser
I guess that first fix is nice.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #68 on: Wednesday, March 03, 2010, 03:51:33 PM »
Pirates suck, but sometime they earn their pay.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #69 on: Wednesday, March 03, 2010, 11:54:22 PM »
Haha, that's awesome.  Burn in flames, Ubisoft.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #70 on: Thursday, March 04, 2010, 12:33:02 AM »
We all want to desperately believe it, but it doesn't seem to have happened yet. None of the torrent sites have it coming up. When I did a search on google, it gave a couple of hits, but they were false positives.

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Yea, all of those were false positives. It isn't on pirate bay or any of the more popular torrent sites. The others have adverts disguised as AC2 torrent links.

I find it strange that the thread Idol posted has the guy claiming this show no evidence to support what he said, yet there is a whole bunch of fist pumping going on through out that thread. PC gamers... we are a strange bunch.

edit 2:

Not saying it hasn't happened or that it won't happen... but I haven't seen anything to suggest it has happened.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #71 on: Thursday, March 04, 2010, 01:07:32 AM »
I found the torrent on BTJunkie. But I guess its in Russian and some are saying it doesnt have a crack.

Though Silent Hunter 5 seems to be up, as well as its first patch. And it uses the same DRM.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #72 on: Thursday, March 04, 2010, 01:15:32 AM »
Note to self: Do *not* click on "Sponsored Search Results".

I found two SH5 torrents that seem to be legit (lots of seeds and leeches), yet the comments sections of these are empty... which is strange.

We'll find out in a few days anyway. If the torrents are working, then it means that there is an offline method of saving the game, which is crazy because it leaves you wondering how Ubisoft didn't see it coming.

There is no questioning that you can't upload ISOs of these to a torrent site, but the question is if you can develop a crack that allows you to save these pirated games offline.


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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #73 on: Thursday, March 04, 2010, 01:21:40 AM »
Hmmm:

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/03/rumour-ubisofts-new-drm-scheme-already-torpedoed-by-pirates/

This still isn't verified, but if it is true, then it seems the saves are saved offline, and you just need permission from Ubisoft every time you make a save? I just find it hard to believe that Ubisoft could be so stupid, because that can easily be cracked. If the saves are actually stored online, then it made some sort of sense.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #74 on: Thursday, March 04, 2010, 07:55:40 AM »
For saving to be entirely online, each user would have to transmit the save data to an online server at every save point, and receive it whenever booting up the game.  How many millions will this game sell?  Even if the size of the data is kept relatively low, that's one shit-ton of traffic.  Cable-internet users normally have good download speed, but crappy upload speed too.  Now saving . . . please wait . . . . . . 5% done, please wait . . . . . . . .

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #75 on: Thursday, March 04, 2010, 08:25:21 AM »
I thought it was pretty well established that the save games are not JUST saved online. There are local copies and then cloud backups. As Cobra said, doing it online-only would be a huge pain in the ass for both sides. Unless they design the games to be like old game saves and are only a few KB in size.

I'm reading now that the games haven't been fully cracked. They are laced with triggers where they expect data from the internet. I guess for Silent Hunter 5, thats the mission briefings. It doesn't look like anything that couldn't be done in a crack, just that it will take some time to find them all.

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« Reply #76 on: Sunday, March 07, 2010, 05:52:31 PM »
DRM servers went down. Customers can't play the game they bought. Apparently its been down for the last 10 hours.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #77 on: Sunday, March 07, 2010, 06:06:08 PM »
Beautiful.  Thumbs up, Ubisoft.  Up your ass.

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Re: Ubisofts new horrible DRM
« Reply #78 on: Sunday, March 07, 2010, 08:28:10 PM »
Wonderful news.  I'm enjoying it tremendously.  I hope it lasts.

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« Reply #79 on: Sunday, March 07, 2010, 08:43:55 PM »
Wonderful news.  I'm enjoying it tremendously.  I hope it lasts.

Ditto.
And I hope class-action lawsuits get swung their way, too...