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Re: Please let it be first contact.
« Reply #1 on: Friday, April 23, 2010, 10:28:41 PM »
Please let it be first contact....followed by intergalactic motherfucking warfare.

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Re: Please let it be first contact.
« Reply #2 on: Friday, April 23, 2010, 10:57:05 PM »
Please let it be first contact....followed by intergalactic motherfucking warfare.
Oh God, that would make all our daily problems so insignificant that we wouldn't have to worry about them! haha

"Did you go to work today?"
"NO! THERE'S AN ALIEN INVASION!"

"Did you make your bed?"
"Uh, no.. THERE'S AN ALIEN INVASION!"

"Are you in debt? Do you need a loan?"
"THERE'S A FUCKING ALIEN INVASION!!"

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Re: Please let it be first contact.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 01:36:08 AM »
Please let it be first contact....followed by intergalactic motherfucking warfare.

hahahahah

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Re: Please let it be first contact.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 06:39:38 PM »
Please let it be first contact....followed by intergalactic motherfucking warfare.
Our weapons will be no match for the alien menace, but luckily their physiological systems have nothing on Earth viruses and the viruses will wipe out the invaders.  At least if War of the Worlds is to be believed..

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Re: Please let it be first contact.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 08:30:25 PM »

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Re: Please let it be first contact.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 09:45:40 PM »
Aww, no sexy aliens? Damn you Kirk, you lucky S.O.B.!

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Re: Please let it be first contact.
« Reply #8 on: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 01:47:35 AM »
Okay, that was ridiculous.

Ridiculous.... or awesome?

Or both?

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Re: Please let it be first contact.
« Reply #9 on: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 07:38:04 AM »
He's not the first to imagine life developing on a star.  I remember a fanciful sci-fi story with solar creatures who couldn't even see the "dark bodies" near their home world.  It has to be a good 50 years old at least.

Edit:  I have not been able to find out as much as I'd like to, so I'm not entirely sure.  But I think what I'm remembering is Hal Clement's story "Proof", first published in the June 1942 issue of Astounding magazine.  The concept I think is plasma-based life.

Edit 2: This is the only thing close to a synopsis I've run across so far:

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"Proof" (1942), Clement's first story, is actually more speculative than most of his work — and also, in a sense, reverses the premise of Iceworld. It's based around a race that lives in the solar photosphere, and that has based its civilisation on the ultra-heavy element neutronium, which periodically needs to be harvested from the sun's core. Because of the temperature, their bodies are "simply constructed: a mass of close-packed electrons — really an unimaginably dense electrostatic field, possessing quasi-solid properties — surrounded a core of neutrons, compacted to the ultimate degree." One of the characters puts forward the theory that "matter — ordinary substances like iron and calcium — might actually take on solid properties, like neutronium, under the proper conditions."
http://www.locusmag.com/Reviews/2009/10/graham-sleights-yesterdays-tomorrows.html

From that, I'm fairly sure now that this is the story I read, probably in the anthology book Where do We Go from Here? (1971), edited by Isaac Asimov.  Planetary bodies were a theory to this race, which needed proof.  The story proceeds along those lines, culminating in a crash against an invisible body, which happens to be Earth.  To an Earth observer, this amazingly bright and hot object doesn't last long, sinking through the solid ground like a torpedoed ship at sea.

I think my brother has this book now.  I'm going to have to borrow it now.
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Re: Please let it be first contact.
« Reply #10 on: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 11:26:56 AM »
The Native Americans were pushed aside and slaughtered because America seemed like a fresh land mass that was unsettled. Even among those who might have acknowledged the fact that the natives lived here and had their own societies and borders, they were seen as primitive. People thought they needed to be taught "the right way".

So would things have gone exactly the same if the natives had lived in buildings, wore factory produced clothing, and just overall was comparably advanced in technology? I'm no history buff, but obviously east asia and europe developed seperate from eachother. at what point in time did they discover eachother, and why did that not automatically lead to the destruction of one or the other?

Basically my point is, destruction of one species is not necessarily a forgone conclusion. If technological advancement and military power are comparable, I would think it would take some stirring of the pot to get things started.

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Re: Please let it be first contact.
« Reply #11 on: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 12:19:38 PM »
I think the point is that if they found us right now, we'd be the "indians".  They'd have to be much more advanced than our current technology, and there would be little we could do to stop a conquest.

My feeling is that everything about visiting aliens would be, well, alien: their biology, their intelligence, their reasoning methods.  We'd be less compatible with them intellectually than we are with dolphins and whales, and wholly incompatible biologically.

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Re: Please let it be first contact.
« Reply #12 on: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 12:26:28 PM »
I think the point is that if they found us right now, we'd be the "indians".  They'd have to be much more advanced than our current technology, and there would be little we could do to stop a conquest.

Yea that's what the article suggests, that our weapons would make them laugh...

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Re: Please let it be first contact.
« Reply #13 on: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 02:30:46 PM »
Maybe the aliens just hang around to check out our Sci Fi movies and laugh their asses off on how unrealistic they are.

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Re: Please let it be first contact.
« Reply #14 on: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 02:37:21 PM »
Or maybe it is like Galaxy Quest where they think they are documentaries.

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Re: Please let it be first contact.
« Reply #15 on: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 05:39:38 PM »
He's not the first to imagine life developing on a star.  I remember a fanciful sci-fi story with solar creatures who couldn't even see the "dark bodies" near their home world.  It has to be a good 50 years old at least.



Yeah, this is a fair part of why I found the article ridiculous.  It's all pure conjecture, but that's not really his fault -- they asked him a question that no empirical evidence or logic can help anyone deduce the answer to at this point (apart from the well known probability of there being life out there).  Everything else is basically just ripped from science fiction plots.