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Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« on: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 07:24:47 AM »
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/nvidias-geforce-gtx-460-the-200-king/19

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At $200 the GeForce GTX 460 768MB is clearly the card to get, offering better performance than the Radeon 5830 with fantastic cooling and a reasonable power draw. AMD has little choice but to bring down 5830 prices further – besides Eyefinity it has nothing to separate itself from the otherwise superior GTX 460.


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At the end of the day NVIDIA has created a very powerful card for a market that has been overlooked for most of this year, and right now they’re setup to benefit from it. The GTX 460 is well priced, well performing, and cool running - 3 qualities we haven’t been able to attribute all at once to an NVIDIA card in quite some time. With launches and pricing like the GTX 460, the competitive landscape that we enjoyed through 2008 and 2009 is finally taking shape once more, and we couldn’t be happier.

Finally... and this card will sell like hotcakes. The $200 pricepoint can't be ignored, especially when it outperforms last gen's GTX 285, and ATI's 5830, and isn't too far behind the 5850.

The price is almost too good to be true. I almost wonder if these GTX 460s are being sold at a loss to recoup their costs for this gen. I have a feeling Nvidia will be back with a bang next gen.

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Should mention that buyers shouldn't confuse this with the GTX 465, which was a broken card essentially.

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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #1 on: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 07:46:57 AM »
Heh.  As if on cue, after our recent discussions.  Glad to hear it.  Too bad I can't act on it.

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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 05:04:01 AM »
I have a GTX 275, would this be a worthy upgrade?

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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 12:23:54 PM »
Unless it is a free exchange, no way.

At full HD with FSAA on etc., the 460 is only a two or three frames ahead in Mass Effect 2 and four or five frames ahead in Crysis.

Minimum frames is an important benchmark, and it isn't something I have seen, but I can't imagine it be too much better than the GTX 275.

The main thing that makes this card impressive is the price, really. A DX11 card for $200 that performs a touch better than the GTX 275 is a winner.

Keep in mind Nvidia skipped "3" in their numbering all together.


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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 01:15:25 PM »
Keep in mind Nvidia skipped "3" in their numbering all together.

Yeah - is there any reason NVidia did that?

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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 04:21:40 PM »
That's not exactly true. They didn't skip the 300 series entirely; they were out in the last 7-8 months but they just weren't remarkable enough to make the news. They were primarily lower-end OEM e.g. GeForce 340GT and the 300M series e.g. GeForce 360M were on laptops. They were nothing special though.

I still think Nvidia (and ATI/AMD for that matter) need to rethink their numbering and naming schemes. The time of the "GeForce" and the "Radeon" are over.. They need to think up some new names.. The Fury! Or the Helios! Something, I'm sure their marketing departments can come up with stuff.

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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #7 on: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 04:25:39 PM »
Nah, I think they need to keep those names.  For instance you know a Radeon is a video-game card and a FireGL is a workstation card for designers.  If they change the names, it could lead to some confusion.

The real problem is how they number things.  Both companies seem to keep resetting to a lower number every once in awhile.

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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #8 on: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 04:30:34 PM »
Nah, I think they need to keep those names.  For instance you know a Radeon is a video-game card and a FireGL is a workstation card for designers.  If they change the names, it could lead to some confusion.
Good point - brand recognition. So people know it's a video card for the game-players.

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The real problem is how they number things.  Both companies seem to keep resetting to a lower number every once in awhile.
So, add more to the title maybe? Especially on GeForce's end - leading w/ level-type (GT or GTX) and a number reset is kind of weird. There's gotta' be something else to it.
Like say...GeForce HD GTX [insert model number]?

Though, doesn't the Radeon kinda say it's a new higher model by doing Radeon HD?

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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #9 on: Sunday, August 01, 2010, 12:57:39 AM »
That's not exactly true. They didn't skip the 300 series entirely; they were out in the last 7-8 months but they just weren't remarkable enough to make the news. They were primarily lower-end OEM e.g. GeForce 340GT and the 300M series e.g. GeForce 360M were on laptops. They were nothing special though.

I still think Nvidia (and ATI/AMD for that matter) need to rethink their numbering and naming schemes. The time of the "GeForce" and the "Radeon" are over.. They need to think up some new names.. The Fury! Or the Helios! Something, I'm sure their marketing departments can come up with stuff.

Yea, but the 3 series doesn't concern us. It wasn't a new generation of cards. They were just refreshes of the 2 series, with new branding etc, made only for sellers of entire systems.
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=626377

They were running late with their Fermi cards (4 series), and their partners like BFG were in trouble, so they basically released a refresh of the low end 2 series as series 3 to keep them afloat. I don't think these cards were available at retail, and were available only to companies that sell complete systems like Dell etc.

As for laptop cards, I don't consider them to correspond to the desktop series of cards in any way, at least as far as Nvidia is concerned. For example, my laptop has a GTX 220 or something, but that card is about as powerful as a 7800GTX. The architecture is also very different from the 200 series cards.

As far as gamers are concerned, the number "3" was skipped. The next generation went directly from 2 to 4.

As for why MysterD, it is for the reasons stated above. They were running late, and made a stupid OEM refresh for business reasons. I can't blame them entirely though.

Nah, I think they need to keep those names.  For instance you know a Radeon is a video-game card and a FireGL is a workstation card for designers.  If they change the names, it could lead to some confusion.

The real problem is how they number things.  Both companies seem to keep resetting to a lower number every once in awhile.

The thing is that they shake up the numbers and stuff every once in a while, and it seems promising because they seem to start with a more organized form of branding. But then shit happens, and they start mixing names to make the same products more marketable.

For example, the GTX 250 I got for my brother is actually not the same architecture as the superior GTX 280, 275, 270, and the 260 cards.

While the GTX 250 is still an impressive performer, it isn't at the same price, nor does it have the same level of performance or features as the cards mentioned above. It is actually a refresh of the Geforce 9800GTX, which in turn, was a refresh of the GeForce 8800Ultra... which was a refresh of the 8800GTX!

So yea, sometimes these companies (well, mostly Nvidia) take top of the line cards, make them significantly more power and heat efficient, raise the clock speeds and sometimes add faster RAM and more video memory, and then re-brand them as mid range products in the latest series of cards.

The 8800GTX was so phenomenal, that with refinement, it stood tall with the cards from the following generation.

The 9xxxx series of cards were all refreshes, but the difference between them at the GTX 3 series was that the 9 series had a full lineup available at retail.

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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #10 on: Sunday, August 01, 2010, 07:44:57 AM »
There's another post that brings reality home.  I'm completely out of touch with this hardware.  Thanks for the lesson.

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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #11 on: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 11:56:54 AM »
So I just bought this card, and have installed it only moments ago.

At $200 it apparently outperforms the GTX 285, and the ATi 6850.

Oh and the ATi 6850 and 6870 are only the midrange new ATi offerings. They aren't as good as the 5870. ATi's 6 series high end card is scheduled for Q1 2011.

Annnnnyway. I was reminiscing a bit as I was detaching my 8800GTX.

This is probably the first time I've bought a refined version of a video card rather than the latest and greatest. The 8800GTX ($600), the 7800GTX ($550), and the ATi 9800 ($500CDN) Pro were all bought at launch and stuff. They did last me a few years each though, while I am not sure if I will keep this as long, but who knows.

Anyway, buying this rather than the $500 580GTX is probably a sign that I am growing up a bit hehe. It was the right thing to do, and I have no regrets.

The card is about half the size of the 8800GTX, which has suddenly exposed a lot of space in my PC. :P

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I actually got the GTX 460 1GB and not the 460 768MB. The difference is more than the memory, and the 1GB card is actually faster.

The other thing is that with ATi's 6 series launch, Nvidia cut the 460 1GB's price to $200, and the 768MB variant to $175.

If you are in the market for a card, and can't wait, then this is a good card. The ATi 6870 is also an excellent choice if you prefer AMD.

If you are looking, but can wait, then both AMD and Nvidia will have more launches in two months or so.

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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 09:23:34 PM »
Ive been looking a graphics cards again to see where my current one stands (GTX 275) and determining whether I should go for an upgrade. The 560 Ti looks like the new king of the mid-range cards. It's tempting but I may wait to see what the end of the year brings.

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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 11:47:21 PM »
I was going to build a new PC, but because of personal umm... issues... I lost all passion for gaming. When it returns, I am definitely going to be building the new core series comp.

Yea the card looks pretty good. Pyro, are you having any performance problems? I shouldn't think so, as I remember your PC was fairly new?

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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 01:06:49 AM »
Yea my PC is 2 years old now but it still runs like a champ, the elongated console lifespan has helped. It's a Core i7 920 3.33MHz FSB, can't remember the motherboard off the top of my head since I'm at work but it's a Gigabyte and I have 6 gigs of ram. Games run great on high settings, I don't typically max stuff out but I'm satisfied on how it runs the newest games. But mainly I was browsing to see how dated my comp is but it's really not bad, plus I recently switched cases and cleaned everything off so it runs like new. The only pressing games I see myself updating the video card for is Diablo 3, Guild Wars 2, and Rage.

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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 05:00:09 AM »
I think diablo 3 may end up being a processor heavy game but the rest you are looking forward to will benefit from more gpu horsepower.

 Your core i7 is great though. Games gave gotten more processor heavy especially in terms of min frames. My cousins new system which I built runs crysis and bad company so much more smoothly even though it has a weaker gpu.

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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 05:24:20 AM »
Yea my PC is 2 years old now but it still runs like a champ, the elongated console lifespan has helped. It's a Core i7 920 3.33MHz FSB, can't remember the motherboard off the top of my head since I'm at work but it's a Gigabyte and I have 6 gigs of ram. Games run great on high settings, I don't typically max stuff out but I'm satisfied on how it runs the newest games. But mainly I was browsing to see how dated my comp is but it's really not bad, plus I recently switched cases and cleaned everything off so it runs like new. The only pressing games I see myself updating the video card for is Diablo 3, Guild Wars 2, and Rage.
I built my PC in early 2007, but it's still going strong.  I still crank up the visuals in new games like Mass Effect 2 and Call of Duty: Black Ops without issue.  Crysis was the only game it met that I had to really turn things down.  I've had some issues with failing components (mostly stuff related to USB), but I am pretty sure this has to do with the fact that I am not using a grounded outlet.

Of course I know that shortly after the Xbox 1080 and PS9000 (or whatever) come out that hardware requirements will undergo a big jump.  But until that happens, I have no reason to spend another $1,500.

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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 06:23:45 AM »
I built my PC in early 2007, but it's still going strong.  I still crank up the visuals in new games like Mass Effect 2 and Call of Duty: Black Ops without issue.  Crysis was the only game it met that I had to really turn things down.  I've had some issues with failing components (mostly stuff related to USB), but I am pretty sure this has to do with the fact that I am not using a grounded outlet.

Of course I know that shortly after the Xbox 1080 and PS9000 (or whatever) come out that hardware requirements will undergo a big jump.  But until that happens, I have no reason to spend another $1,500.
Exactly. I'm in the same boat with my older system (which I gave to my brother). It's got a GeForce 8800 GTS 320MB and it can still take anything I throw at it. Crysis is the only title I need to bring down to medium and Bad Company 2 runs relatively well on the High settings but I like to bring the resolution down for good measure.

AMD's statement that DirectX is "getting in the way" of PC performance (which Cobra brought up) could potentially mean lower specs to squeeze out the performance.

I think the major issue with the PC is the non-standardized equipment. Imagine if it was.. think Phantom! :P

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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 07:02:31 AM »
I think the major issue with the PC is the non-standardized equipment.
For cost-effective videogame development, maybe.  But I can tell you that Apple's unified hardware/software packages create another issue.

For instance, my employer has standardized their content production on Adobe Creative Suite 2.  There is a desire to upgrade to CS5, but it is cost prohibitive so only a few small groups have been upgraded so far.  This has become a problem because CS2 was designed for the PowerPC architecture that was around when it came out.  And CS2 doesn't play nice with Snow Leopard (the newest version of Mac OS X).  So when we bought new Macs, we would load Leopard on them (one version back).  This worked fine until the latest iteration of Macs.  Now you can't load Leopard on them because of the change from Core 2 processors to Core iX processors and Leopard doesn't have the correct code in it to handle that.  So we are basically fucked.

Keep in mind that you can still load Windows XP on 95% of new PCs and it will work fine.  That is a 10 year old OS.  Heck, in some cases you can still install Windows 2000.  Leopard is about 3.5 years old.  So it's not all hunky-dory with a standardized platform either.  Now that's not videogames, but imagine if it was?  Imagine if new PCs couldn't even run Windows Vista?  How crazy is that?
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Re: Nvidia finally have a DX11 winner, and it is priced at $199.
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 05:25:22 PM »
Exactly. I'm in the same boat with my older system (which I gave to my brother). It's got a GeForce 8800 GTS 320MB and it can still take anything I throw at it. Crysis is the only title I need to bring down to medium and Bad Company 2 runs relatively well on the High settings but I like to bring the resolution down for good measure.

AMD's statement that DirectX is "getting in the way" of PC performance (which Cobra brought up) could potentially mean lower specs to squeeze out the performance.

I think the major issue with the PC is the non-standardized equipment. Imagine if it was.. think Phantom! :P

Even though AMD wants to aim for more the "direct-to-metal" approach to designers, I'd really like to know what AMD thinks about OpenGL then...

We now know what Carmack prefers...