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Offline scottws

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My motherboard is dead
« on: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 03:36:17 PM »
The southbridge on my motherboard finally gave up the ghost.  I am declaring it officially deceased.

I am not sure if anyone remembers or if I even posted about it here, but I was complaining about Windows 7 issues with USB.  My USB drives were disconnecting whenever I tried to transfer a lot of data to or from one.  At first it did seem to be a relatively common complaint but none of the suggested fixes were working for me.  Eventually it got to the point where USB drives would disconnect without me even doing anything.  Then my printer started flaking out and after that I started losing a few USB devices; for instance my Xbox 360 wireless controller hub stopped working entirely on any computer.  I had a spare USB card and put that in and it magically fixed all of my USB issues.

Then my second hard drive started to disappear from Windows.  Nothing I did would bring it back except for a reboot.  Sometimes on a reboot it still wouldn't see the drive.  I moved it to another SATA port but this didn't solve the issue, so I thought it was the drive.  The thing is about four years old.  I bought a new hard drive and tried to do a restore of my data to it but the drive disappeared during that process.  It was then clear that there was a problem with the hard drive controller.  The problem got worse and worse where if the computer got turned off, it wouldn't even bring up the GRUB boot loader.

Well last night I was playing Minecraft with K-Man and all of a sudden I got disconnected.  At first I thought my Minecraft server or VMware server locked up because I couldn't ping them.  Then I thought it was my router because I couldn't ping that either.  I rebooted the router but this didn't solve the problem, so I ran that Windows diagnosis thing and it tried to reset the NIC but just hung there forever.  I tried to reboot but it got stuck on "Shutting Down".

So I power cycled the computer, but now no matter what I do, I can't get it to detect the hard drives.  Usually it would do this but after trying to boot 5-10 times, it would start working.  But now, nothing.

I need to get a new motherboard because there is nothing wrong with my PC otherwise.  The trouble is finding a replacement.  Newegg only seems to have newer boards that use DDR3 or a faster DDR2 than what I have.  I would hate to get a new board and have to get new memory too.

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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #1 on: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 02:12:59 PM »
Yea getting a new board which has you get new RAM does suck, because then you start toying with the idea of getting everything else completely new...

I'd suggest eBay. I am sure you can find a new budget mobo to hold you over from a reputable seller.

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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #2 on: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 02:35:16 PM »
Actually I found an $80 Gigabyte board on Newegg that will suit my needs.  It's an Intel P43, an upgrade from my P965.

I did get the computer to finally boot up this morning.  Who knows how long that will last.

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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #3 on: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 04:29:49 PM »
Congrats on finding the new mobo. I wonder if there is an electrical fault in the mobo, because that's what happened with my brothers (I think), and it started damaging other parts one by one.

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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #4 on: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 05:25:10 PM »
Probably.  I'm plugged into a non-grounded outlet.  Before anyone screams at me, I don't have much of a choice.  Not one outlet in my home has a ground.

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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #5 on: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 10:35:25 PM »
I used to use a 2-3 prong adapter in my Kenwood house.  It was built in the 60s.  I attached the metal tab on the adapter to the middle screw on the electric outlet box, and plugged a 3-prong power strip into the adapter.  Worked like a charm for years.  During that odd year I lived in NY ('06) I didn't even bother using the ground plug at all.  The main power strip was plugged into a 2-prong extension cord that allowed the ground plug to slide by unattached.

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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #6 on: Friday, October 01, 2010, 12:02:33 AM »
Quick question:  Getting a new board with faster DDR2 than you have wouldn't really be a problem, would it?  I always believed that the board would just clock down to the fastest speed the memory supported (assuming it was the right TYPE of RAM).

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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #7 on: Friday, October 01, 2010, 02:33:17 AM »
Are you asking if you can use slow DDR2 RAM with a mobo that supports higher clocked DDR2? Well, yes, because the mobo should support the entire range of DDR2.

If you are asking if higher clocked DDR2 can work on an older mobo, and that it should automatically be underclocked? I've seen that happen on most occasions. I've also seen that you can upgrade the bios of the old mobo and support higher clocked RAM.

Cobra, I live on the first floor, and nothing is "earthed". When I connect my laptop to the charger, I get shocked unless I am on the bed, or am standing with rubber slippers.

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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #8 on: Friday, October 01, 2010, 08:17:50 AM »
That sucks.  I remember getting routinely shocked by a record player in the 60s.  AC plugs weren't even polarized then.

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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #9 on: Friday, October 01, 2010, 02:15:13 PM »
I used to use a 2-3 prong adapter in my Kenwood house.  It was built in the 60s.  I attached the metal tab on the adapter to the middle screw on the electric outlet box, and plugged a 3-prong power strip into the adapter.  Worked like a charm for years.
I don't think that works unless the screw is connected to something that is grounded.  Sometimes the outlet's housing is grounded.  Maybe it was in your case.

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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #10 on: Friday, October 01, 2010, 08:30:54 PM »
Yeah, in theory the metal outlet housing is grounded.  That doesn't guarantee the job was done properly.

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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #11 on: Friday, October 01, 2010, 09:47:31 PM »
Yeah I was reading about grounding my outlets and it doesn't sound like a trivial job at all, even for an electrician.  It is even worse if you have plaster walls, which of course I do (early 60's house).

I did buy a voltmeter.  Supposedly I can use it to figure out if my outlets' housings are grounded.  I haven't yet leaned how to do that.  I think it is only if the plenum cables have a flexible steel conduit around them.  I don't think mone do.

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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #12 on: Saturday, October 02, 2010, 12:47:28 PM »
Yeah I was reading about grounding my outlets and it doesn't sound like a trivial job at all, even for an electrician.  It is even worse if you have plaster walls, which of course I do (early 60's house).

I did buy a voltmeter.  Supposedly I can use it to figure out if my outlets' housings are grounded.  I haven't yet leaned how to do that.  I think it is only if the plenum cables have a flexible steel conduit around them.  I don't think mone do.

Do you own this house?  The only thing I can say is you don't want to get into fucking around with electrical work...especially with plaster walls....even more especially with a house from the 60's.  Shit was wired completely differently 50 years ago, and if there has been any upgrades since expect to find a confusing cluster fuck of a mess.

Do you actually have stock three-prong grounded outlets throughout the house? Depending on where you live, it's possible that code requirements called for grounding to be installed during a renovation or upgrade sometime in the history of the house. If every single one of your outlets is three pronged, chances are code requirements called for grounding throughout the house.  If you have even one 2-prong, chances are that someone has just been changing the actual outlets (code violation pretty much everywhere).  Electrical work is fucked though, so it's best never to assume anything.

Testing for Ground:

Without a voltage tester, it's simply a case of cutting the power through the breaker, unscrewing the cover plate on an outlet, and pulling the box from the wall to see how the actual outlet is wired. You should have a black wire running in and a white wire running in. If you're grounded you should also have a bare copper or a green wire running in. If you have that, you should be grounded.  Should be.  With a house from the 60's though, god knows if the wires are actually colour coded, and god knows if that (possibly existing) ground wire to the box is actually hooked up.  It's a good thing you have a meter.

I'd double check, but you should be putting one prong into the hot slot, one prong into the neutral (with power going to the outlet, of course). Once you get a voltage reading, you're going to want to keep the prong in the hot slot, pull the one out from the neutral and put it in the ground slot. If you still get a voltage reading, you're grounded.

Find out you're not grounded and don't want to pay to get a professional in there? Don't fuck around, just buy a bunch of CFI (with the "Reset" and "Test" buttons) outlets and install those.  Not as good as being grounded, but they should prevent you from getting shocked. But, do the next person in the house a favour...mark each outlet as ungrounded...or make it well known somehow.

Also, keep in mind that shit like surge protectors don't work at all in ungrounded sockets.

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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #13 on: Saturday, October 02, 2010, 12:54:53 PM »
Ungrounded CFIs are useless for electronic equipment from what I understand, but I was required to install two near water sources in my house to prevent electrocution.

Most of my house has 2-prong outlets.  The thing is that the ones that are there are the originals and the outlets have lost most of their clamping power so the previous owner replaced many with regular 3-prong outlets that aren't grounded.  I see why too:  I went to replace the crappy outlets with 2-prong outlets and found that they were $1.29/ea. while the 3-prong outlets were $0.39/ea. and this was for the same brand of outlet.  Still, I went with the 2-prong ones.

As far as checking for ground, I don't need the voltmeter to test to see if the actual receptacle is grounded.  I bought a receptacle tester and it shows all the outlets I've put it in as ungrounded.  I bought the voltmeter to see if the housing for the outlet is grounded.  I've heard that many are.  If so, I can run a ground from the ground screw on the 3-prong receptacle to the housing and it will work (of course I would need to re-test the outlet afterwards to make sure).

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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #14 on: Sunday, October 03, 2010, 03:10:12 PM »
Yeah, ungrounded CFIs aren't meant to protect electronic equipment.  They should still trip in most instances, but probably not before your equipment is fucked. They're really meant as a safety precaution and will trip when something (like a person) is unexpectedly acting as a ground.

Have you seen the wiring?  Is it BX (sheathed metal)?  Honestly, with a house that old, you can't really go wrong with calling an electrician.


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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #15 on: Friday, October 08, 2010, 11:50:43 PM »
Got the new motherboard and installed it.  I'm so glad they got rid of the HAL from the Windows XP days.  No need to do a repair install or anything like that.

Oh, and fuck heatsinks.  There has got to be an easier way to do this.

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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #16 on: Saturday, October 09, 2010, 12:07:16 AM »
hehe

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Re: My motherboard is dead
« Reply #17 on: Saturday, October 09, 2010, 01:20:53 PM »
Fuck.  Now my keyboard stopped working.  I mean it was only a $10 PS/2 one, but it still blows.

Oh and I found out the housing around the power recpicle my surge protector plugs in to is not grounded.  Sucks.