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« on: Thursday, September 01, 2011, 08:20:55 PM »
I have some issues that I have been ignoring for a while and I decided to go see someone about it.  I'm doing grad work, so my health plan is through the university.  I was really anxious about it because there is a free "walk in consultation", but it is only for 15 minutes.  I was worried I would have to explain all of my problems within that time frame to get a real appointment - haha.  Fortunately, they just gave me a HUGE questionnaire that literally hit on every possible area of my life.  And I could work on it in peace.  Took me like 40 minutes to complete, but I think I did a pretty thorough and honest job.

Anyway, now I have a meeting with a super-qualified doctor in like a week.  No idea what he's gonna say when he sees my musings on random problems with me and my life.  Should be interesting..!

Discussion-wise, has anyone done this before?  I've never done any counseling or therapy or anything.  No idea what to expect really, except for what I've seen in movies and on television.  I'm guessing there will be less "break-through" moments and more mundane moments.  But who knows.
« Last Edit: Tuesday, September 13, 2011, 06:31:23 PM by shock »
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Re: Counseling!
« Reply #1 on: Thursday, September 01, 2011, 09:34:44 PM »
I think I would be too tempted to make shit up just to screw with the doctor, but they are probably trained to notice that sort of thing. Drat.

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« Reply #2 on: Thursday, September 01, 2011, 09:43:10 PM »
I saw a therapist for about a year, then stopped for about 6-12 months, and now I just started seeing another one.

With the first guy, I don't feel like I made any significant progress for the whole year I was going. I'm closed off until I get to know people, don't like authority, and don't like to express my emotions. So I'm was going to see this old guy that came across as an authority figure to me, and I never opened up to him. I never said "this is how I feel" or anything, instead I just answered his questions and remained mostly silent otherwise. Then the state government cut off funding for the low income program at that company and I had to stop going.

Now I'm going to another place that still have government funding for low income individuals. I had an initial meeting (2 hours) where I told someone all about myself. Then I saw one of the therapists for an hour the next day, where it was a lot more of the same, a little more in depth. This place works differently though. They hold 3 or so classes/groups each day, with different subjects on different days of the week. (examples: anger management, dealing with anxiety, loss counseling) You hae to attend at least one class per week to be able to continue seeing the therapist and psychiatrist at a discount.



I'm continually torn about the whole situation though. I have troubles trusting anyone, and I feel like the therapists want to change things about my personality that don't need changing, or at least not to the extent that they want me to. I'd like to focus on my trust issues, not dealing with emotions, and why I can't keep a job for more than 3-4 days. I'd like to be more open to meeting new people, but therapists seem to think there's something wrong with me wanting to sit alone and read a book or play a game once in a while. I guess it all boils down to trust issues and feeling like I'm never understood. I'm feeling this things with the therapists, and don't think I'm getting what I want out of it.

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Re: Counseling!
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday, September 13, 2011, 07:25:58 PM »
Thanks for sharing W7RE ;)

I just went to my first meeting thing today.  It lasted about an hour.  It was basically just a "get to know you" type of deal, so asked me loads of questions and jotted down a bunch of things.  Overall, it was awesome.  He's very laid back, but seemed to already be getting at things.  Got another appointment next week..!

Fortunately my insurance is paying for 100% of this.  I'd definitely recommend it to anyone thinking about it.  I should have done this a long time ago..!
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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday, September 13, 2011, 07:28:42 PM »
I've been on both sides.  Interesting process, to say the least.

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday, September 13, 2011, 08:10:25 PM »
He asked if a grad student could sit in on my thing. 

How were you on the opposite side, Kman?
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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday, September 13, 2011, 08:32:56 PM »
I have a masters degree in ed psych and counselor education.  I had to conduct sessions as part of my grad work.

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday, September 13, 2011, 08:59:11 PM »
I've thought about it to a certain extent.  Sort of.  But I don't know if a counsilor is what I need.  What I need is more like my high school rugby coach or my dad when I was younger.  Someone to say "Get your shit together and stop fucking around.  All day drinking sessions on a sunday?  At 30?  are you fucking kidding me?  And if you're not interested in the girl, don't keep on it until you sleep with her.  It's a dick move and you know you'll feel like shit about it later."

The problem is that I never really heeded any lessons, I just learned how to pretend really well.

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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday, September 13, 2011, 09:55:10 PM »
I've still been going to these "classes" and the more I go the more I feel like I don't need to. I saw the psychiatrist for the first time the other day. I told him I'd looked up some personality typing based on Jung's work, and typed myself as an introverted intuitive thinker. He understood that, and told me he understood why I struggle with certain things. He then told me there's nothing wrong with me that he can list as something I need to work on, and there's no drugs that would help my current situation. As a personality type that makes up 3-4% of the total population, I just need to learn to live in a world that doesn't cater to me much.

He basically said I that if finding a job is my primary goal, I need to find something non service related that keeps me mentally engaged, and doesn't surround me with people that I perceive as dumb. Yea, right, without an education? Probably not gonna happen.

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Re: Counseling!
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday, October 26, 2011, 12:54:09 AM »
I've had counseling with "elders" but never with a professional therapist..what's it like?
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« Reply #10 on: Thursday, October 27, 2011, 08:10:56 PM »
It's awesome.  I've been going for a little while now.  I'd seriously recommend it to anyone that is thinking about it.  It can be costly, though, so be aware of that.  Fortunately my insurance pays for it 100%.

Disclaimer: this is 100% my experience.  I have absolutely no way to know if this is typical.

Anyway, when you first go, you go over the basics: why are you here, what was your childhood like, do you have any goals, etc.  After that session, it's all up to you what you talk about in the sessions.  Mine is usually a mix of things I have been thinking about during the week or events that occurred and my reactions to them.  When you know you are going to talk to someone for an hour a week about this sort of thing, it puts you in a forward-thinking and analyzing mindset when you go about the rest of your life.  This contemplations in itself is helpful, and then you get to sort of "digest" it in your session.

My therapist doesn't give advice or guidance.  He just sits back and observes.  It was a bit weird at first, but I know why he does it: to let you develop your own solutions.  He'll chime in with a thought or musing that has a great way of "grounding" what I'm thinking about with some reality.  For me, it's usually about how atypical a response of mine was to a situation.  He's also extremely good at proposing alternative ideas or reasoning for why things are the way they are.  Finally, what I think is most useful is the way he can "connect the dots" between issues or experiences that I wouldn't always associate with each other.  This going deeper is what makes the difference.  If you are like me, you think about things a billion times and how to solve them, but when you are stuck in your same perspective, you don't really get too far before running down the same paths you've gone down before.  What's great about therapy is that it can show you things that you missed before.  It really opens things up.

I also joined a group on relationships.  The groups are a bit weird at first, but actually really helpful too.  I am usually extremely reserved about sharing feelings in a group, but you warm up to it.  No one has relationships with people outside of the group, it is all confidential, and you can always just leave the group if you don't want to be in it any more.  For these reasons, people are usually surprisingly frank.   The group sessions operate a lot like the individual ones, but the feedback comes mostly from the group and less from the therapist.  My group is great at throwing out helpful things, giving advice, and generally helping with perspective.  This is sort of like the talk you'd have with a group of 8 of your best friends, if you could actually talk with them honestly about issues you are having.  Sometimes people talk about dumb things, but most of them are pretty deep and interesting.

Anyway, I came in with a pretty specific goal of working on relationship issues, but I've come to see that there is a lot underneath the surface that I would have never picked up without therapy.  The progress on these problems is slow, and it definitely takes time, but there's no denying that it is a step in the right direction.  I feel fantastic whenever I go to either session.  And as I said, this is coming from someone who is usually extremely reserved, especially with feelings.  I don't really know how long I'll be going.  I'm not expecting an epiphany moment where it all makes sense, but I think I can make some progress here.

PS: I also spend a lot of my free time reading about the issues I'm working through.  It's also helpful, but it isn't near as helpful without the therapy.
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Re: Counseling!
« Reply #11 on: Thursday, October 27, 2011, 11:24:07 PM »
I've had good experience with therapy as well. Ive had to make tough decisions and saw options I didn't know existed. It helped me out a good bit. But about a month ago I sort of had a rude awakening in my life. I'm engaging in sort of a more spiritual therapy. I found a church that I'm getting involved with and meeting lots of interesting people. There's a bible study that I'm going to every Thursday and Sunday before service. It's been working out great so far and I'm seeing things in my life I never considered myself capable of doing.

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« Reply #12 on: Friday, October 28, 2011, 06:43:04 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: Friday, October 28, 2011, 08:26:29 AM »
^^ Ditto.  I went to church for years and years.  I don't any more, but it can be very helpful too.  And the fellowship is great.  Best of luck.
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« Reply #14 on: Monday, October 31, 2011, 09:50:02 AM »
I've stopped seeing my therapist and stopped going to classes. It was a pain trying to get there every week and I didn't feel like I was getting anything out of it. The whole experience made me doubt the education/experience of the therapist.

The psychiatrist at this most recent place seemed to understand me immediately and I could see talking with him for quite a while. That's not how things work though, apparently. The psychiatrist visits always seem to be a 15 minute checkup to see if you need drugs of some sort, and you only see them once every month or two. Maybe it's because I keep going in on low income programs that won't cover that much face time with a more educated person. Instead I get the guys who only know how to deal with drug addicts and suicidals.

My problem is that I have zero tolerance for things that don't allow me to think creatively, zero tolerance for humanity in general, and yet I'm tired of sitting home alone all the time. My living conditions are pretty terrible, but I put up with them because it's more favorable than any job I can find. All of this is putting me into an existential depression that no one seems to understand.

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« Reply #15 on: Monday, October 31, 2011, 11:12:38 AM »

The psychiatrist at this most recent place seemed to understand me immediately and I could see talking with him for quite a while. That's not how things work though, apparently. The psychiatrist visits always seem to be a 15 minute checkup to see if you need drugs of some sort, and you only see them once every month or two. Maybe it's because I keep going in on low income programs that won't cover that much face time with a more educated person. Instead I get the guys who only know how to deal with drug addicts and suicidals.

My problem is that I have zero tolerance for things that don't allow me to think creatively, zero tolerance for humanity in general, and yet I'm tired of sitting home alone all the time. My living conditions are pretty terrible, but I put up with them because it's more favorable than any job I can find. All of this is putting me into an existential depression that no one seems to understand.

You're right.  Psychiatrist at most low income mental health centers deal almost solely with addicts and suicidals.  Generally the caseload is so high that they cannot devote much time to patients.  So you're right, in essence it becomes a checkup and nothing more.  Not their fault, it's just part of low income help.

As for the job deal, I think all of us have an idea of what our dream job would be.  Few, if any, of us will ever be able to attain it.  So in the meantime you find something to pay the bills and improve your situation.  There's a reason it's called work.  We're not supposed to like it.  And in my experience anyone who says they have "never worked a day in their life" is full of shit.  You work your job so you can be creative, pursue your interests,  and enjoy yourself in the off time.  I certainly not keen on the fact that I hold an BA and a Masters degree in psychology, yet work for a trucking company.  I do it because it pays me lots of money, not because it's fulfilling.  It's fulfilling to a small degree, but it's far from doing what I "want to be" doing.

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« Reply #16 on: Monday, October 31, 2011, 11:20:47 AM »
And don't think that I'm unloading on you, because I'm not. So so many of our generation feel this entitlement.  I felt it in my 20's.  Like the world owes you something (for me i felt like I was owed a good paying job in a field of my interest just because I completed school).  I can promise you my grandfather, or even my dad, ever took a job because they found it fulfilling.  They took it because they had a roof to pay for and mouths to feed.  It sucked.  They worked jobs they hated.  My grandfather went mostly deaf because of his younger days running heavy machinery.

Every time I even think about bitching about my job in this nice air conditioned/heated office of mine, I think about my grandfather who busted his guts in the heat and cold trying to make a living for his family.  I think about my dad, suffering from sleep apnea, working 20 stories up in the air in sheet metal.  Almost falling to his death one day because he fell asleep on a scaffold.

Our generation will be looked back on as being a generation of pussies.

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« Reply #17 on: Monday, October 31, 2011, 11:22:11 AM »
Yea, I'm 29 and going to be 30 in about 7 months, I know most of us here are around that age group. Our generation of youth is spoiled, not everyone, but if you were like me, you grew up in a white suburban town with a shit ton more luxories than our parents ever got, and even less so with our grandparents before them. Being raised on such benefits, we take those things for granted, its not really our fault, its just all we know. So when we take our first steps into the working 9-5 world, its no picnic. But you get used to it, you build a discipline and hopefully it makes you stronger to move onto something better in your future, something that maybe like Kman said few will attain, you will like. My advice? Find a job, granted, there are some really shitty ones you may have to take but learn to build yourself from it and work from that foundation. Trust me, it can get better and it even feels better to have money you feel that you've earned.

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« Reply #18 on: Monday, October 31, 2011, 11:35:35 AM »
Again don't see this as me just unloading on you.  What you said just sort of tied into all this other stuff that I've been thinking about a LOT lately.  And trust me, you're not the only guy our age with those thoughts.  I think most of us have had them.  My problem was that no one would really shoot me straight on it and I had to find out the hard way.

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« Reply #19 on: Monday, October 31, 2011, 01:09:25 PM »
Oh I've got plenty of people telling me I need to suck it up and get a job. I ask why I can't find a job that doesn't lead me to violent thoughts, and I get told to suck it up and go to work. I get told this constantly. I'm looking for someone to tell me how to work these shitty jobs without it making me miserable 100% of the time. Or if that's not possible for me, what kind of job can I get that won't make me feel like this?

No one has the answers though. The more I deal with it, the more I feel like an outsider that no one will ever understand.

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« Reply #20 on: Monday, October 31, 2011, 01:46:48 PM »
Oh I've got plenty of people telling me I need to suck it up and get a job. I ask why I can't find a job that doesn't lead me to violent thoughts, and I get told to suck it up and go to work. I get told this constantly. I'm looking for someone to tell me how to work these shitty jobs without it making me miserable 100% of the time. Or if that's not possible for me, what kind of job can I get that won't make me feel like this?

No one has the answers though. The more I deal with it, the more I feel like an outsider that no one will ever understand.

I have violent thoughts at my job.  I think everyone has them.  You may have them more than other people, I'm not sure.  Ultimately violent thoughts shouldn't hinder you.  Thoughts are harmless. The line is drawn when you would seriously act upon those thoughts (and deep down you know whether you would or would not). Then you officially have a problem and need to find help for it.  If you don't seek help for it, then all you are doing is enabling your current situation.  Entry level jobs are shitty.  There's no way around it.  So if you want out of the entry level doldrums then you need to either educate your way through it or just work your way through it.  Find something where moving up past entry level is a possibility and go from there.  There will be pain and suffering.  Working is not pleasant.  It's miserable some days, even in jobs you are indifferent about attending (which, by the way, is the closest I think most people will ever come to "loving" their job).  But ultimately if you want something out of life you have to work for it.  Definitely no getting around that.

I don't think you should ask the question "what kind of job can I get that won't make me feel like this".  I think the more appropriate question is "What can I do for myself to cease feeling like this?".

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« Reply #21 on: Monday, October 31, 2011, 03:04:19 PM »
Oh I've got plenty of people telling me I need to suck it up and get a job. I ask why I can't find a job that doesn't lead me to violent thoughts, and I get told to suck it up and go to work. I get told this constantly. I'm looking for someone to tell me how to work these shitty jobs without it making me miserable 100% of the time. Or if that's not possible for me, what kind of job can I get that won't make me feel like this?

No one has the answers though. The more I deal with it, the more I feel like an outsider that no one will ever understand.

What do you do in your free time?

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« Reply #22 on: Monday, October 31, 2011, 06:12:15 PM »
What do you do in your free time?

Play video games, watch movies, read, look up videos and images of dead people online. You know, the same stuff we all do.

No, I don't think I'd ever really hurt someone. I'm not a physically violent person at all. (never even been in a fight before)




I would LOVE to have this dishwashing job I had back in high school for like 3 days. It was in the bakery of a grocery store. I think the shifts were 5-6 hours long, and timed so that the bakery workers would leave 1-2 hours into my shift. The rest of the night I was just me, alone, washing dishes and listening to my headphones. I still hated it, but after all this time I would love to have it back. I could deal with a boring a disgusting job like that if it meant I could just listen to music/podcasts by myself while doing it.

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« Reply #23 on: Tuesday, November 01, 2011, 12:25:39 AM »
I'm sure you've heard this a ton as well, but maybe you need to try something new? A change of setting, pace, schedule? If you are staying at home all the time, maybe go out more? Find a new hobby? Maybe bring back old projects you never completed? Anything that might bring you out of the slum you seem to be in right now.

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« Reply #24 on: Tuesday, November 01, 2011, 04:47:27 AM »
I bet you'd be able to stomach work more if you actually needed to do it to put food on the table and a roof over your head. You seem to have some sort of setup where you don't need to work to make ends meet so of course going to work is going to be a pain.

Alternatively, continue doing what you're doing. It is your life after all. If there's nothing else you'd rather be doing than sitting at home playing video games and you have the means to do so, stop beating yourself up over not fitting in and enjoy it.

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« Reply #25 on: Tuesday, November 01, 2011, 06:27:44 AM »
I'm sure you've heard this a ton as well, but maybe you need to try something new? A change of setting, pace, schedule? If you are staying at home all the time, maybe go out more? Find a new hobby? Maybe bring back old projects you never completed? Anything that might bring you out of the slum you seem to be in right now.

Going out more isn't really an option right now. I'm 35+ miles from just about anything, and don't have a car/license, and don't know anyone. I'm staying with my parents, and can only really get them to take me anywhere if it's for a job/interview. When I do go out, it's usually when I ride along with one of them because they're going somewhere anyway.

I'd like to get out more and meet people. At the same time, I have real trouble making friends. It usually takes a long time before I get to know/trust someone enough to really let myself get to know them. I'm well spoken and polite with new people, I just have trouble getting into a mindset where I'm accepting of new people.

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« Reply #26 on: Tuesday, November 01, 2011, 06:48:34 AM »
Well considering your financial situation isn't dire and you're not going to lose the roof over your head in the next week, you can afford to take baby steps.  Maybe work toward getting your license first, then toward another goal.  Breaking your situation into smaller, solvable problems should make it all much less daunting to you.  I can certainly see how you'd be overwhelmed.


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« Reply #27 on: Tuesday, November 01, 2011, 09:06:48 AM »
I don't want to sound like I'm lecturing, but I kinda agree with Ren here.  I think you have two choices:

1) Continue doing what you are doing now and be happy about it.
2) Make some real effort to change it.

There's not much more to say.  We can try to push you to make some effort to change the circumstances, but it's going to have to come from some conviction in you if it is going to succeed.

Otherwise, sit back, relax, and enjoy yourself.  Playing games all day long doesn't seem that bad.
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« Reply #28 on: Tuesday, November 01, 2011, 09:17:35 AM »
I'd say the isolation is a big part of his current issues.  So yeah, it likely is that bad.

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« Reply #29 on: Tuesday, November 01, 2011, 10:48:51 AM »
When I was in college I had friends and went out. I never really made any effort to get out and meet people, but I made friends in classes, then made friends with people they knew, etc. I do like being social, I'm just hard to get to know. Where I'm at now, I have nowhere to meet people, and no transportation to go out.

And yes, I do need to do something. I can't just sit around playing games.

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« Reply #30 on: Tuesday, November 01, 2011, 11:55:40 AM »
Get yourself a camera if you don't have one already and start going out for photo walks. You don't need to be in a "cool" location to get great photos and if you have a macro lens (or a camera with a decent macro mode) you don't even have to walk far to get something good. The fresh air will do you good and help you disconnect a bit from the internet and clear your mind.

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« Reply #31 on: Tuesday, November 01, 2011, 03:50:13 PM »
When I was in college I had friends and went out. I never really made any effort to get out and meet people, but I made friends in classes, then made friends with people they knew, etc. I do like being social, I'm just hard to get to know. Where I'm at now, I have nowhere to meet people, and no transportation to go out.

And yes, I do need to do something. I can't just sit around playing games.


If you've decided you need to do something, I suggest taking a class at a community college or extended education centre or adult school or whatever you call them wherever you are. It'll be a consistent group of people over an extended amount of time so you all turn into friends by default like in school. It also lets you show that you've been productive while unemployed. Whenever you do apply for a job, what have you been doing for the last six months is a guaranteed question and playing video games is not a good answer.