Topic: Doom 3 BFG Edition

[idolminds]

Hmmmm...

As for the game itself, Doom 3 BFG Edition will be available this fall for the Xbox 360, Windows PCs, and the PlayStation 3 — the first time a Doom game has been available for Sony's console. It'll include Doom 3 and the Resurrection of Evil add-on, both completely optimized for 3D, with 5.1 surround sound, Xbox 360 achievements and PS3 trophies as well. There's also seven new missions that Id's calling "The Lost Mission" which also is getting the full remaster treatment. To round out the package, Id is throwing in the original Doom and Doom 2 — making Doom 3 BFG Edition a comprehensive look at the franchise. There's no release date or pricing yet, aside from a planned fall launch.

[W7RE]

But perhaps most importantly, Xbox 360 players will be able to use their flashlight and gun at the same time, something that was not possible when the game was originally ported to the console, and which fans let id know was a problem.

http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/5/30/3051918/doom-bfg-edition-details



Not sure why it says specifically Xbox 360. Maybe they're considering it the lead platform for this release, and just throwing in PS3 an PC to cover everyone.

[Cobra951]

I learned some Doom scripting just to add a flashlight to my weapons, complete with toggle switch.  I remember I made the pistol's narrower and red.  Wow, it has been long.

[MysterD]

With bringing Quake 4 back and Doom 3 back, Id Software must be looking to see if people are looking forward to Doom 4 & Quake 5...

[Cools!]

The answer is no.

[W7RE]

The answer is no.

There might be something wrong with me, but I am.

I actually still haven't played Doom 3 or Quake 4 (didn't even buy Q4), but am looking forward to Doom 4 and Quake 5. I don't know why. Even after Rage (which I sort of forgot about after the demo) I still somehow find myself excited about any id release.

[Pugnate]

Meh for this and meh for any game id releases at this point.

[K-man]

I can't say I'm not interested. 

[PyroMenace]

I have tried a bunch of times to finish Doom 3, but I would always get distracted by something else. I wouldn't mind checking this out and maybe finally playing through the whole thing.

[MysterD]

I have tried a bunch of times to finish Doom 3, but I would always get distracted by something else. I wouldn't mind checking this out and maybe finally playing through the whole thing.

I finished Doom 3...
But for some reason, never played much of ROE expansion...
Even though I've had ROE [from retail] for a LONG time.

EDIT:
Seems as appropriate as anywhere to place this...
GameSpy -> A bunch of mods they recommend for Doom 3 PC.

[MysterD]

Doom 3: BFG Edition coming October 16th.
PC Version = $30
Console Versions (X360 and PS3) = $40.

[MysterD]

GameTrailers -> PC version of Doom 3: BFG Edition will NOT have any MP included for this edition's versions of Doom 1 & 2.

[W7RE]

I'm willing to bet that the versions of Doom I and II that come with the BFG edition are pretty much the same thing you got on disk back in the day when you bought them. They probably DO support multiplayer, but over LAN or modem. To have those 2 games easily playable over the internet would require adding on internet support, or dealing with a third party to license something used in one of the source ports. None of this is baffling to me, it just means they didn't want to put in extra effort for those 2 older games, just like how they didn't build support into them for the Occulus Rift.

[Xessive]

They probably still use the old IDX protocol. As long as it has some form IP connect multiplayer people can make it work. Maybe id meant they won't officially support any multiplayer for them.

[W7RE]

Maybe id meant they won't officially support any multiplayer for them.

Yea this is what I'm thinking the case will be. The reason there's official support for MP on those two for PS3 and Xbox is that they've been released on those platforms digitally. I wouldn't be surprised if the copies that come in this package are downloadable codes and not actually on the disc.

[Quemaqua]

Hmm. I could potentially be interested in this. I already have everything, but if the remastered stuff is actually worthwhile, it might be less clunky than the mods I've been using. And I do want to go through it all again.

[Quemaqua]

Bumpity with interesting article: http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/05/doom-3-bfg-edition-not-a-rehash-id-not-a-fan-hd-collections/

[idolminds]

Man, I am wanting that.

[Quemaqua]

Me too. Especially at 30 bucks. New levels, updated graphics, engine and design tweaks? Yay!

[W7RE]

So I just got my Xbox 360 copy. I installed to the hard drive, launched it, and decided to start up Doom 1 to see if it was the same as the XBLA version. I got this message:

This content cannot be accessed when DOOM 3: BFG Edition is installed on your Xbox 360 HDD. To access this content, please uninstall this game from your HDD and play it from the game disc.

WHAT?! How does that make ANY sense at all?


So in the interest of thoroughness I uninstalled it to try again. It launched Doom, which seems identical to the XBLA version. It even has my saves from playing the XBLA version. It also uses the same achievement list as the XBLA version, as I've got some unlocked already. It has an "exit game" option on the main menu just like all XBLA games, and exiting takes me to my Xbox dashboard, not back to Doom 3 BFG. So yes, the copies of Doom 1 and Doom 2 are the XBLA versions, just with the extra step of putting a disc in and starting that up to launch them. Now I can reinstall since I know I'll probably never run them from the disc.

[Cobra951]

I'm confused.  Are you saying you can't play Doom 1 & 2 unless you uninstall Doom 3 BFG?  Or are you saying you can still play the Xbla versions regardless?  But are those freely accessible, or do you have to buy them additionally?  Playing a full game from DVD is no longer desirable to me.  I'm too spoiled by the install option.

[Quemaqua]

Let us know how it is. I've only seen one review thus far, and it... wasn't positive. He particularly lamented that on 360 the audio was completely fucked, but didn't seem to be reviewing any of the other versions. He did say that Doom 1 and 2 have no multiplayer of any kind of PC, and that the coop version of Doom 3 that came with the game on 360 originally is gone from *all* versions. Which is fucking retarded.

[W7RE]

Doom 3: runs regardless of install
Doom 1 and 2 from BFG disc: only run if the game is not installed to the HDD
Doom 1 and 2 XBLA versions: run regardless of BFG disc install, but you have to have bought them separately



I was on Minecraft for a while (new update for the XBL version today) so I'm just now starting a game up on D3. So far it's Doom 3. Same graphics, same intro areas and dialogue. The movement is definitely ripped straight from Rage. The weight of your character and the feel of looking around with the controller feels exactly like Rage.

The reason for the lack of co-op is because the original had no co-op. Vicarious Visions ported it to Xbox and changed a bunch of stuff around to make co-op work. for the BFG edition, id took the original PC code and ported it themselves, with some stuff from Rage (like the player movement). To include co-op they would have had to either rework a bunch of stuff like Vicarious Visions did, or use the VV versions of the levels. I can see why they didn't include co-op. I do wish they had, but I sort of get why they didn't. Using drastically altered levels wouldn't be faithful to the original. The biggest complaints I've heard about the BFG edition so far is that they didn't improve the graphics for Doom 3, but I never expected them to. I expected something true to the original, and that's what this is.


EDIT: They did say they updated the game to make it slightly more playable (which either means easier, or less annoying, depending on how you look at it). One thing they mentioned was more ammo lying around in better places. One thing I just noticed, and this may be a one time hint: I got to the first storage cabinet that you need a code to open, and a tip popped up telling me whose log to listen to for the code. EDIT: Nevermind, it only did it with the first one.

[K-man]

[W7RE]

The flashlight is off-center. It's driving me batty.





Also, there's still plenty of flashlight management. It's got a draining battery so you have to turn it off from time to time. I timed it. It takes 30 seconds to run out, and fully recharges in 2.5 seconds. Somehow I still feel like I need to manually switch it off all the time so it's got juice when I really need it though.

[Cobra951]

Doom 3: runs regardless of install
Doom 1 and 2 from BFG disc: only run if the game is not installed to the HDD
Doom 1 and 2 XBLA versions: run regardless of BFG disc install, but you have to have bought them separately

. . .

Bummer!  Thanks for clarifying anyway.

[idolminds]

Bethesda suggests NOT installing it to HDD on 360.

Not only does it make it so you cant play Doom 1 or 2, there are apparently no performance enhancements for doing so either. Seems like a weird setup.

[Cobra951]

No optical-drive spin and grind is a huge hardware saver, and as I said above, I can't see playing games that way anymore.  I'm too spoiled by the install option.  They say there's no performance enhancement, but that sounds like a company line to me, to smooth over the problem involving the other games.  One real solution here would be to give out codes so we can acquire the XBLA versions freely.

[idolminds]

Or patch it. Why would installing it make those unplayable? Its such a weird issue.

[MysterD]

Or patch it. Why would installing it make those unplayable? Its such a weird issue.

Must be the megatextures.
[shrug]

[W7RE]

Must be the megatextures.
[shrug]

I was reading earlier that the textures in the BFG edition use the same file type as the megatextures from Rage. this is one of the reasons mods for vanilla Doom 3 don't work with the BFG Edition.



Also, I just read that you can launch Doom 1 and 2 even if the BFG Edition is installed, by launching them from your games library. You'll probably have to run them each once from the disc to get them into your games history, install, then run them from the library. I can't really test this because I own both XBLA versions which are the same as the BFG versions.





EDIT: Also apparently Doom 1 and 2 are slightly edited for the BFG release. The health packs have a pill on them instead of a plus, because the Red Cross doesn't like people using anything that looks like their symbol. Also, the Wolfenstein levels in Doom 2 have had all their nazi imagery removed and replaced with mostly blank walls, and nazi troops have been replaced with Doom enemies.

Doom 1 XBLA still has red crosses and an Activision splash on startup, since it was released before Bethesda bought id. Doom 2 has red pill icons and a Bethesda splash. I'm assuming Doom 2 XBLA does have the Wolfenstein levels edited as well.

[Cobra951]

I just read the same thing re the install problem in the comments to the story at vg247.

No Problem here. Just install Doom 3 BFG on HDD, leave the DVD in the X360 and start Doom 1+2 over the Dashboard at “My Games”. Only the Doom 3 Launcher is broken.

That makes some sense at least.  I can't see why the simple act of installing D3 would innately affect the behavior of D1 & 2.  I guess it doesn't.  Only the package's launcher for the older games has issues.

Edit:  Doom 2 has pills instead of crosses in the trial version I've had on my drive for a long time.  I think I even commented about it in here, somewhere.

Edit 2:  Found it.

Yeah, I saw that earlier.  Not surprised.  And my version predates pussification, so I don't care.

Did anyone notice that the crosses on health boxes in XBLA Doom II were replaced with some oval bullshit?  Pussies, all of them business types.

Pussies!  

[W7RE]

Haha!

[MysterD]

GiantBomb -> 45 min Quicklook on Doom 3: BFG Edition.

[gpw11]

Wait, wasn't it a medical cross?  What the fuck?  That doesn't even make sense.

[W7RE]

Wait, wasn't it a medical cross?  What the fuck?  That doesn't even make sense.

What is the significant Section of the U.S. Legal Restriction?
It is contained in Section 706, Title 18, U.S. Criminal Code, part 18 which reads as follows: "Whoever, whether a corporation, association or person, other than the American National Red Cross and its duly authorized employees and agents and the sanitary and hospital authorities of the armed forces of the United States, uses the emblem of the Greek red cross on a white ground, or any sign or insignia made or colored in imitation thereof or the words ‘Red Cross’ or ‘Geneva Cross’ or any combination of these words- "Shall be fined..."

Source: redcross.org


There's a lot in the link. Basically the red cross symbol and name are supposed to be an international symbol of mercy. To maintain it as such, it is not allowed to be used without permission. though I think it's odd that a medkit in a game can't have a red cross on it. Isn't that promoting the use of it as a symbol of healing the ill/injured? Of course, I guess you do just grab a health pack and then continue blasting baddies.

[Cobra951]

So you change the color to brown?  Too close?  How about blue?  There's more to it than that, not that I think it's OK to be restricted like that on such a simple symbol.  (If there was anything unique about the design, I could see some TM-type protections.)  The cowardice surrounding crosses in games is something I really didn't want to see again after the Castlevania-4 alterations for the US version.

[MysterD]

Master Disks for Doom 1:

[idolminds]

<joke about 5 inch floppy>

Interesting tidbit: Steam no longer sells the original Doom 3 by itself. The only way to get it on there now is via the big Super id Pack.

[MysterD]

<joke about 5 inch floppy>

Interesting tidbit: Steam no longer sells the original Doom 3 by itself. The only way to get it on there now is via the big Super id Pack.

WTF??!?!

They should sell BOTH versions!

Doom 3 (Old) has mods galore out for it!
Good thing I own original Doom 3 + ROE from Retail already.

Doom 3: BFG doesn't support many mods, hell if any mods - since it's on the new Id Tech 5 (RAGE's Engine).

Is Doom 3 original not being sold b/c of the issues w/ Red Cross?